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View Poll Results: What would Miami be classified as
Subtropical 5 29.41%
Tropical 12 70.59%
Other 0 0%
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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Hi there do you know what the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn is? They are points on the planet that mark the angle of the sun overhead, tropical is a word related to 'the tropics' (the points mentioned) to be 'in the Tropics' literally means WITHIN the Tropics, in other words the area of the planet BETWEEN the two lines. A 'Tropical climate' is ANY climate that occurs within the Tropics (between the lines), if a country has a climate 'like' a Tropical one but the said country is NOT between the lines then it has a 'Sub-Tropical' climate, ie 'sub' as in NOT between the lines (Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn), if Miami is North of the Tropic of Cancer (ie NOT IN the tropics) yet it has a climate like a tropical country then Miami is 'Sub-Tropical'. Las Palmas might well have a climate like a place actually IN the Tropics (a Tropical place) however Las Palmas is NOT within the Tropics therefore its climate is not 'Tropical' (because its not a 'Tropical' place) however it may well be 'Sub-Tropical'. The same terms can be used for Arctic (places in the Arctic) or Sub-Arctic (places with climates LIKE an Arctic one but not actually North of the Arctic line) climates.
The climatic tropics are not the same as the geographic tropics. The two do not have to coincide. The snowy peak of Kilimanjaro does not have a tropical climate. Bogot√° or La Paz do not have tropical climates.
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Hi there do you know what the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn is? They are points on the planet that mark the angle of the sun overhead, tropical is a word related to 'the tropics' (the points mentioned) to be 'in the Tropics' literally means WITHIN the Tropics, in other words the area of the planet BETWEEN the two lines. A 'Tropical climate' is ANY climate that occurs within the Tropics (between the lines), if a country has a climate 'like' a Tropical one but the said country is NOT between the lines then it has a 'Sub-Tropical' climate, ie 'sub' as in NOT between the lines (Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn), if Miami is North of the Tropic of Cancer (ie NOT IN the tropics) yet it has a climate like a tropical country then Miami is 'Sub-Tropical'. Las Palmas might well have a climate like a place actually IN the Tropics (a Tropical place) however Las Palmas is NOT within the Tropics therefore its climate is not 'Tropical' (because its not a 'Tropical' place) however it may well be 'Sub-Tropical'. The same terms can be used for Arctic (places in the Arctic) or Sub-Arctic (places with climates LIKE an Arctic one but not actually North of the Arctic line) climates.
That's not how climate classifications work, which are not based on geography, but actual climate data.

Somewhere with a Mediterranean climate, does not have to physically be within the actual Mediterranean
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:04 AM
 
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That's not how climate classifications work, which are not based on geography, but actual climate data.

Somewhere with a Mediterranean climate, does not have to physically be within the actual Mediterranean
Yeah by this logic the equatorial climate zone would be a 2D band exactly above the equator. Or Quibdo would have a continental climate as it's on the South American continent

More importantly, no serious discussion of climates (text books, scientific papers etc) uses that definition.
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:47 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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That's not how climate classifications work, which are not based on geography, but actual climate data.

Somewhere with a Mediterranean climate, does not have to physically be within the actual Mediterranean
The point is the English of it, by the very nature of the statement 'Tropical' means you have to actually you know be 'Tropical'. To suggest the Canary Islands have a Tropical climate is akin to a Frenchman calling himself German because he speaks German. That's why the term 'Sub-Tropical' was coined. To actually have a 'Meditteranean' climate you have to actually BE on the Med, otherwise you have a climate the same as a Mediterranean climate. Perhaps they should call it sub-Meditteranean.? :-D
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:19 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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How about the tropical Kilimanjaro summit, with an annual mean temperature of -7c?
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:34 AM
 
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The point is the English of it, by the very nature of the statement 'Tropical' means you have to actually you know be 'Tropical'. To suggest the Canary Islands have a Tropical climate is akin to a Frenchman calling himself German because he speaks German. That's why the term 'Sub-Tropical' was coined. To actually have a 'Meditteranean' climate you have to actually BE on the Med, otherwise you have a climate the same as a Mediterranean climate. Perhaps they should call it sub-Meditteranean.? :-D
Well that's fine if you want to go back to first principles and come up with your own definitions, but it's not very useful if everyone else (especially those doing actual scientific work on climate) uses different ones.

Sub-mediterranean would more usually apply to a climate that has some but not all of the features of a mediterranean climate or only displays them weakly. For example a climate that has a markedly drier summer but is too wet overall.
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Old 11-21-2020, 05:55 AM
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Well that's fine if you want to go back to first principles and come up with your own definitions, but it's not very useful if everyone else (especially those doing actual scientific work on climate) uses different ones.

Sub-mediterranean would more usually apply to a climate that has some but not all of the features of a mediterranean climate or only displays them weakly. For example a climate that has a markedly drier summer but is too wet overall.
Sub-Med would be an oceanic climate with a dry summer, such as those found on the south coast of England.
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Old 11-21-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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The point is the English of it, by the very nature of the statement 'Tropical' means you have to actually you know be 'Tropical'. To suggest the Canary Islands have a Tropical climate is akin to a Frenchman calling himself German because he speaks German. That's why the term 'Sub-Tropical' was coined. To actually have a 'Meditteranean' climate you have to actually BE on the Med, otherwise you have a climate the same as a Mediterranean climate. Perhaps they should call it sub-Meditteranean.? :-D
But this is a weather forum, we deal with actual climate classifications derived from climate data. Also sub-tropical climates are the same, they are not simply places within what you would geographically describe as being the "sub-tropics". Look at the climate classifications of places in the SE USA, they are sub-tropical by climate classification.

And places such as California & Perth have Mediterranean climates, again because of their climates, not because they are in the Mediterranean. I'm not sure what is so difficult to grasp really.
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Old 11-21-2020, 01:41 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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But this is a weather forum, we deal with actual climate classifications derived from climate data. Also sub-tropical climates are the same, they are not simply places within what you would geographically describe as being the "sub-tropics". Look at the climate classifications of places in the SE USA, they are sub-tropical by climate classification.

And places such as California & Perth have Mediterranean climates, again because of their climates, not because they are in the Mediterranean. I'm not sure what is so difficult to grasp really.
The reality is they don't, they have US and Australian climates the same as Mediterranean climates, they're not in the Mediterranean, yes I know I'm being a bit facitious but modern climate classifications are nonsense, I mean I've even heard people trying to claim that Vancouver is Mediterranean and New York is sub-tropical! Lol. I don't care WHO decided on these things but it's laughable.
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Old 11-21-2020, 03:36 PM
 
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Hi there do you know what the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn is? They are points on the planet that mark the angle of the sun overhead, tropical is a word related to 'the tropics' (the points mentioned) to be 'in the Tropics' literally means WITHIN the Tropics, in other words the area of the planet BETWEEN the two lines. A 'Tropical climate' is ANY climate that occurs within the Tropics (between the lines), if a country has a climate 'like' a Tropical one but the said country is NOT between the lines then it has a 'Sub-Tropical' climate, ie 'sub' as in NOT between the lines (Tropic of Cancer, Tropic of Capricorn), if Miami is North of the Tropic of Cancer (ie NOT IN the tropics) yet it has a climate like a tropical country then Miami is 'Sub-Tropical'. Las Palmas might well have a climate like a place actually IN the Tropics (a Tropical place) however Las Palmas is NOT within the Tropics therefore its climate is not 'Tropical' (because its not a 'Tropical' place) however it may well be 'Sub-Tropical'. The same terms can be used for Arctic (places in the Arctic) or Sub-Arctic (places with climates LIKE an Arctic one but not actually North of the Arctic line) climates.

Is a submarine a "sub-boat"? It has some boat charasterictics but it's not really a boat?


Is the NYC subway less underground than the London Tube, because it's called a subway. But what if a tube train goes sometimes above ground like the Paris Metro, it can't be called a subway because it's not always underground?


Or substitute? Player 1 gets substituted by player 2 coming in from the bench, but player 2 is not really a football player, because he wasn't in the starting XI? After all, player 2 is a substitute.



And how about submissive? If your wife has a strap-on and... yeah well I hope you get the point.


Curious.
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