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View Poll Results: What would Miami be classified as
Subtropical 5 29.41%
Tropical 12 70.59%
Other 0 0%
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Old 12-09-2021, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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But it's zone 10!!! Must be a subtropical environment paradiso !!! Definitely not oceanic.
It can certainly be on the spectrum of subtropical environment.

There is no contradiction in a oceanic climate having a degree of subtropical environment, as classifications don't define environment.
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Old 12-09-2021, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Miami is clearly tropical, fairly near the poleward edge of the tropical climate zone.

I think a lot of the confusion is because people conflate tropical and equatorial climates, when equatorial climates are a subcategory of tropical. Miami is not equatorial but that doesn't mean it's not tropical.

As greysrigging has pointed out, Miami is quite similar to Townsville in temperatures which is pretty much always considered part of the Australian tropics. Equatorial regions of Australia are usually thought of as limited to the very far north of the Cape York peninsula and the Tiwi islands.
Obviously in terms of averages this is true. The extremes paint a different picture though.

In the last 30 years, Miami has had 249 days where the maximum has been 20°C or less. That's the equivalent of 8 months.

In the same time, Townsville has had 19 such days.

You don't need to be a superstar climatologist to realise that there must be something different between the two climates.

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Old 12-09-2021, 11:23 AM
 
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Obviously in terms of averages this is true. The extremes paint a different picture though.

In the last 30 years, Miami has had 249 days where the maximum has been 20°C or less. That's the equivalent of 8 months.

In the same time, Townsville has had 19 such days.

You don't need to be a superstar climatologist to realise that there must be something different between the two climates.
Interesting. Clearly there is something different between the climates of Miami and Townsville, which isn't unexpected given Miami is near the poleward edge of the tropical zone where it transitions to more continental climates while Townsville has more ocean influences. Still, a maximum of 20°C isn't exactly cold and 249 days in 30 years is only 2% of days or just over 8 per year.
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Old 12-09-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Interesting. Clearly there is something different between the climates of Miami and Townsville, which isn't unexpected given Miami is near the poleward edge of the tropical zone where it transitions to more continental climates while Townsville has more ocean influences. Still, a maximum of 20°C isn't exactly cold and 249 days in 30 years is only 2% of days or just over 8 per year.
Agree. Probably the iguanas and coconuts don't care. But for those of us interested in weather and climate, it's interesting.
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Old 12-09-2021, 11:36 AM
 
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Agree. Probably the iguanas and coconuts don't care. But for those of us interested in weather and climate, it's interesting.
Oh yes, it's interesting definitely. Just I don't think extremes like that are particularly important for climate classification.
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Old 12-09-2021, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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Hardly see the Gulf Coast of Mexico at 21.5-22*N in southernmost Tamaulipas and northern Veracruz getting denied tropical status. Miami is warmer than that area in every regard, both averages and extremes. You have to reach the 21st parallel to match Miami.
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Old 12-09-2021, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Nobody's not denying nothing from nobody.
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Old 12-09-2021, 04:43 PM
 
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Hardly see the Gulf Coast of Mexico at 21.5-22*N in southernmost Tamaulipas and northern Veracruz getting denied tropical status. Miami is warmer than that area in every regard, both averages and extremes. You have to reach the 21st parallel to match Miami.
Veracruz gets the summer ITCZ influence, and very infrequent frontal passages compared to Miami. It definitely has stronger true tropical genetics.

But, tell you what? We can give Miami a few more winters under the "SE/Bahamas" ridge, to see if it graduates. Deal?
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Old 12-09-2021, 04:59 PM
 
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All of FL is warming at a rapid rate. The next 40 years will have coconuts growing in Levy county.
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Old 12-09-2021, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Agree. Probably the iguanas and coconuts don't care. But for those of us interested in weather and climate, it's interesting.


Look SE Florida isn't even in the tropics, but it beats anywhere else in North America outside of tropical Mexico for a warm winter with nice beach days. And it is on the doorstep to what I consider some of the most beautiful tropical islands around in the Caribbean.
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