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View Poll Results: What would Miami be classified as
Subtropical 5 29.41%
Tropical 12 70.59%
Other 0 0%
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Where are the details for your system, FirebirdCamaro?
That post was from 3 years ago, I've modified my view on climate since then. But if you want to see, look up the thread Ultimate Climate Classification System or something like that, I started it
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Old 06-29-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Trewartha, Dc
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That post was from 3 years ago, I've modified my view on climate since then. But if you want to see, look up the thread Ultimate Climate Classification System or something like that, I started it
Oh! It's a baroque system reminiscent of Thornthwaite, but with labels somewhat familiar to users of Köppen. Why did you create it?
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Oh! It's a baroque system reminiscent of Thornthwaite, but with labels somewhat familiar to users of Köppen. Why did you create it?
Because I don't like Koppen's broad C group. New York City and Orlando being both Cfa and Auckland and Amsterdam both being Cfb are laughable
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Old 06-30-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Trewartha, Dc
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Because I don't like Koppen's broad C group. New York City and Orlando being both Cfa and Auckland and Amsterdam both being Cfb are laughable
So why not use Trewartha? He correctly classifies New York City and Amsterdam together as temperate, and Orlando and Auckland together as subtropical. Why go to the trouble to create such a complex system?
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Old 06-30-2019, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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So why not use Trewartha? He correctly classifies New York City and Amsterdam together as temperate, and Orlando and Auckland together as subtropical. Why go to the trouble to create such a complex system?
I modified my view to this for the C group (still don't like Trewartha because it considers Washington DC oceanic):

Subtropical: Coolest month between 6 and 18°C, 4+ months 18°C+ (this is where I put Mediterranean climates as well, stops Seattle or San Francisco from being called Mediterranean, since Seattle is too cool in winter, and both are too cool in summer compared to the real Mediterranean Basin)

Warm Oceanic: Coolest month between 6 and 18°C, less than 4 months 18°C+

Temperate Transistional: Coolest month between 0 and 6°C, 4+ months 18°C+

Cool Oceanic: Coolest month between 0 and 6°C, less than 4 months 18°C+
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Old 06-30-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Trewartha, Dc
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still don't like Trewartha because it considers Washington DC oceanic
Very good! Yes, Trewartha knew Washington DC was something other than Oceanic (He wanted continental, hot-summer) but his system always struggled with the Cf/Dc border of North America.



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Subtropical: Coolest month between 6 and 18°C, 4+ months 18°C+ (this is where I put Mediterranean climates as well, stops Seattle or San Francisco from being called Mediterranean, since Seattle is too cool in winter, and both are too cool in summer compared to the real Mediterranean Basin)

Warm Oceanic: Coolest month between 6 and 18°C, less than 4 months 18°C+

Temperate Transistional: Coolest month between 0 and 6°C, 4+ months 18°C+

Cool Oceanic: Coolest month between 0 and 6°C, less than 4 months 18°C+
This is not bad at all, but it does add complexity to Trewartha and creates quite a few subtypes that may not objectively exist (in the sense that extraterrestrial visitors might not understand why you made them). Also I don't know how many people would countenance excluding San Fransisco from the Mediterranean group without a drop of rain in July. Have you considered altering it to accommodate exceptional cases?
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Old 06-30-2019, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Very good! Yes, Trewartha knew Washington DC was something other than Oceanic (He wanted continental, hot-summer) but his system always struggled with the Cf/Dc border of North America.




This is not bad at all, but it does add complexity to Trewartha and creates quite a few subtypes that may not objectively exist (in the sense that extraterrestrial visitors might not understand why you made them). Also I don't know how many people would countenance excluding San Fransisco from the Mediterranean group without a drop of rain in July. Have you considered altering it to accommodate exceptional cases?
I consider Seattle cool oceanic dry summer, and San Francisco warm oceanic dry summer
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Old 10-25-2020, 02:12 PM
 
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This debate has been raging on CD for the last 15 years. Don't expect this thread to settle anything.
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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The flora in Brisbane does not look more tropical than Orlando's. I'm not sure how you could say that.
Certainly Brisbane's native flora is far more tropical-looking than Orlando's.




Source: my own photos

Moreover, Brisbane's mild winters allows it to grow imported flora that is much more like Miami than Orlando. Indeed, these flora have become part of Brisbane's history and identity.

Coconuts.

Source: https://www.enjoyaus.com/n2048/premi...kel-the-wrecks

Royal Poincianas.

Source: https://www.redlandcitybulletin.com....m-magnificent/

Mangos.

Source: https://trusttrees.org.au/tree/QLD/F...mestead_Way_10

Banyan Fig.

Source: Your Brisbane: Past and Present: Eagle St Fig Trees

Cuban Royal Palms.

Source: https://www.****/city-botanic-garden...image137349025

A lot of these can be grown in Orlando but every few years a freeze comes along and wipes half of them out so they don't become so endemic.
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:23 PM
 
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Certainly Brisbane's native flora is far more tropical-looking than Orlando's.




Source: my own photos

Moreover, Brisbane's mild winters allows it to grow imported flora that is much more like Miami than Orlando. Indeed, these flora have become part of Brisbane's history and identity.

Coconuts.

Source: https://www.enjoyaus.com/n2048/premi...kel-the-wrecks

Royal Poincianas.

Source: https://www.redlandcitybulletin.com....m-magnificent/

Mangos.

Source: https://trusttrees.org.au/tree/QLD/F...mestead_Way_10

Banyan Fig.

Source: Your Brisbane: Past and Present: Eagle St Fig Trees

Cuban Royal Palms.

Source: https://www.****/city-botanic-garden...image137349025

A lot of these can be grown in Orlando but every few years a freeze comes along and wipes half of them out so they don't become so endemic.
Same for Tampa but got killed back year after year in the 1980's super freezes. Now we are seeing more and more winters with out getting near 32f, but all it takes is 4 hours below 28f to knock em dead. Coconuts were killed well south of Sarasota with the 1981 super freeze then we had a 19f in Tampa in 1983.
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