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Old 10-13-2016, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Good for them. The climate still sucks ass and planting palm trees isn't going to make it warm. Nothing more than a vain attempt to make the climate look "good" to outsiders.
But why do you think people plant palms to make it warm, or appear warm? I planted palms in my UK garden because I liked them, simple as that. I doubt very much anyone in the UK would plant a palm tree to try & make other people think it is warmer than it is, that is just a bizarre notion lol...
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:08 PM
 
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Why else would they do it?
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:09 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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Because they look nice? Same reason someone would plant a camellia, or an acacia, or any non-native plant.
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Why else would they do it?
Like I just said, because they like them lol

Why do people plant palms anywhere? Because they like them.

Melbourne has thousands of palms, are they only planted to trick people into thinking it has a tropical climate?
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:19 PM
 
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They can ****ing like them all they like, still not going to make the climate any less crap.
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Old 10-13-2016, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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They can ****ing like them all they like, still not going to make the climate any less crap.
What has that got to do with anything though?? If the palms can grow there it isn't crap for them. I get that you despise the climate of the UK, but trying to somehow assume that the only reason palms are planted there is to fool people (like who?) into thinking the climate is warm is complete rubbish lol...

Again I bring up Melbourne, which you also think has a crap climate, are palms planted there to fool people too or is it only in the UK you believe that is done??
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Good for them. The climate still sucks ass and planting palm trees isn't going to make it warm. Nothing more than a vain attempt to make the climate look "good" to outsiders.
So do you think hot climate cities that plant coniferous trees do it to make their climate look colder? I was in Sacramento a couple weeks ago and saw a large Western Red Cedar, was that tree planted to make Sacramento appear colder and wetter than it really is? Or was it planted just because it looks cool/different from the average plants and planted it because they could?
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Munich, Germany
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Christchurch has the same latitude as Bilbao in Northern Spain and Invercargill is around Paris. Google new Zealand in the Northern hemisphere and the first site that comes up called ENZ shows this which is interesting
Latitude isn't the only thing that counts.
Bilbao is a significantly warmer climate than Christchurch.
The same is true for Paris in regard to Invercargill.
Bilbaos Summers are warmer than anywhere in New Zealand (except Raoul Island 29°S) despite being cool for Spanish Standards.


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You would definitely feel a difference as the New Zealand sun has the highest UV rays In the world and has one of the highest rates of skin cancer, it can be a blessing and curse at times. Nice and warm in a winters day but sometimes too intense in summer
New Zealand doesn't have the highest UV Index in the world.
That would be the Altiplano High Desert in Chile,Bolivia and Peru.
New Zealand has a somewhat higher UV Index than places on the northern Hemisphere of the same distance from the equator.
A higher UV Index doesn't mean that the sun will feel hotter, it just means that you get a sunburn faster.
The Sun angle is a more important figure for how strong the sun feels imo.

So Christchurch has a higher sun angle than Southern England (as it's closer to the equator), and i agree with it making a small difference. Nonetheless the climate has temperatures much more comparable to Southern England than Northern Spain.
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Old 10-13-2016, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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I feel that palms can sometimes feel out of place if they are so different from the natural plants and trees that grow there. Ireland and Britain are unbelievably beautiful and I took it for granted until I left Ireland but the natural ecosystem just looks so different for it palms to fit in. If people like it then by all means grow them but I just find it strange especially since we associate palms with warm climates
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Latitude isn't the only thing that counts.
Bilbao is a significantly warmer climate than Christchurch.
The same is true for Paris in regard to Invercargill.
Bilbaos Summers are warmer than anywhere in New Zealand (except Raoul Island 29°S) despite being cool for Spanish Standards.




New Zealand doesn't have the highest UV Index in the world.
That would be the Altiplano High Desert in Chile,Bolivia and Peru.
New Zealand has a somewhat higher UV Index than places on the northern Hemisphere of the same distance from the equator.
A higher UV Index doesn't mean that the sun will feel hotter, it just means that you get a sunburn faster.
The Sun angle is a more important figure for how strong the sun feels imo.

So Christchurch has a higher sun angle than Southern England (as it's closer to the equator), and i agree with it making a small difference. Nonetheless the climate has temperatures much more comparable to Southern England than Northern Spain.
The Sun here is more intense than a Mediterranean sun and you will burn faster here than anywhere in Europe, people underestimate it and get such serious burns. Bilbao average summer high is 25 while Christchurch is just under 23. Bilbao is not significantly warmer, the South Island in summer regularly gets temperatures over 30 degrees and highs are usually greater than the north island. They seem fairly similar, the UK isn't cold compared to northern European standards, it just gets such little sun therefore this is probably the biggest difference. Also winters In new Zealand are similar to French and Spanish winters than the UK in terms of sunshine and temperatures. Again though New Zealand is too diverse to compare to a single climate as it spans across a long latitude and has various micro climates.

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