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Old 05-09-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: motueka nz
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There'd be places like that in NZ, right, just not permanent year-round snow?
There are places like that where you can see permanent snow and palms. not as tropical looking as that pic though. The snow on Mauna Kea isn't permanent.

I think that pic is a fake or at the least, misleading.
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Old 05-09-2011, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Well then if 98 degrees is someone's body temperature, then technically the ideal temperatures seems to be in the 65 degrees to 98 degrees range and it shows that humans are warm blooded and need warm temperatures to support themselves much more than cold temperatures.
Actually, it is warm-bloodedness that allows year-round activity in cold climates.

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If it is below 50 degrees, someone can get a fever, flu,and cold if they don't have layers of clothing on. If it is below 40 degrees and someone doesn't cover themselves up with layers they can die of hyperthermia, or frostbite.
Likewise, it is possible to get heatstroke which causes brain damage and death if one exerts oneself in temperatures as low as the 80's. There is also the problem of dehydration which is also a quick killer.

Furthermore, warm climates a hotbeds for breeding tropical diseases. Typhoid, Malaria, Cholera, West Nile Virus, Ebola virus, etc. All endemic to hot, tropical regions.

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Also, agriculture(where all the food is originally grown) needs mild and warm temperatures. Cold freezing temperatures kills agriculture and doesnt allow agriculture to exist. Also mild and warm temperatures are needed for plants of all types to exist such as trees.
Agriculture is hardly a requisite for human life nor did it direct and substantial part of human evolution. Humans in modern form have been around for 100,000 years, agriculture only reached northern Europe about 4,000 years ago.

And look at this way, if you had to pick mild/warm/hot year round vs cold year round what is superior? If it is 65 degrees to 98 degrees year round or if it is 40 degrees or colder year round?

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Last time I checked billions of people live in tropical regions of the world while the north and south poles and arctic places like that nobody really lives there and they are uninhabitable.
Likewise there are places that are hot that are inhospitable or even uninhabitable such as deserts that are too hot and dry.

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So I just proved to you how warm, hot, and mild temperatures are superior to cold and freezing temperatures for humans and for this planet.
No you didn't!

Note: I am not trying to argue that cold climates are superior for human survival, but that humans are adaptable and can thrive in many different climates.
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Old 05-09-2011, 06:19 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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There are places like that where you can see permanent snow and palms. not as tropical looking as that pic though. The snow on Mauna Kea isn't permanent.

I think that pic is a fake or at the least, misleading.
Why would you think it's a fake? I know for a fact Mauna Kea can get snow and you can see it from anywhere on the Big Island.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: motueka nz
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It has nothing to do with whether it gets snow, or if it can be seen. It is the picture itself. The middle background doesn't look right. not sure if it has been altered or over zoomed. Either way it is misleading. I can't find any other images that have that sense of scale.
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Old 05-09-2011, 07:56 PM
 
Location: In transition
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole premise of this thread.. and while I love hot weather... I think the Earth as a whole needs polar climate zones to balance out the climate of the other areas. I think without icecaps and glaciers, the Earth would be in very big trouble. So, while I recognize the importance of frozen areas of our planet, I would never ever want to live in one.
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Old 05-09-2011, 08:09 PM
 
Location: São Paulo, Brazil
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole premise of this thread.. and while I love hot weather... I think the Earth as a whole needs polar climate zones to balance out the climate of the other areas. I think without icecaps and glaciers, the Earth would be in very big trouble. So, while I recognize the importance of frozen areas of our planet, I would never ever want to live in one.
Even though, North hemisphere seems as it's getting a cooler place at Winters in comparison with South one. That is a fact that for a lot of time disturbed my mind, but, I've been told that strange pattern has explanation. They said that's due to global warming once again. Artic glaciers are melting down, and it works as fuel for cold waves. Unfortunately to me who lives at south, Antartic doesn't look as if it's under same thing. It's an unbreakable stronghold of ice.
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Yea, the snow is useful if a place has dry summers and the melted snow can be stored for irrigation. A place with ample precipitation (like where I am) would be fine without snow.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:10 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole premise of this thread.. and while I love hot weather... I think the Earth as a whole needs polar climate zones to balance out the climate of the other areas. I think without icecaps and glaciers, the Earth would be in very big trouble. So, while I recognize the importance of frozen areas of our planet, I would never ever want to live in one.
There have been many long periods in our planet's history with no ice caps, then again there were times when a large chunk of the earth was (it's a fallacy to think the whole earth was covered by ice during the Ice Age, large parts were actually mild or even warm).
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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It has nothing to do with whether it gets snow, or if it can be seen. It is the picture itself. The middle background doesn't look right. not sure if it has been altered or over zoomed. Either way it is misleading. I can't find any other images that have that sense of scale.
Hmmm, sometimes real pictures can look a bit 'off', it's a possibility, but I don't really see the motivation.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I've been thinking a lot about the whole premise of this thread.. and while I love hot weather... I think the Earth as a whole needs polar climate zones to balance out the climate of the other areas. I think without icecaps and glaciers, the Earth would be in very big trouble. So, while I recognize the importance of frozen areas of our planet, I would never ever want to live in one.
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There have been many long periods in our planet's history with no ice caps, then again there were times when a large chunk of the earth was (it's a fallacy to think the whole earth was covered by ice during the Ice Age, large parts were actually mild or even warm).
It's still debated by geologists whether there was a time period where the whole earth was completely covered in ice. This would have been at a time when there really wasn't much complex life though.

Snowball Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But this isn't even close in time at all to what people refer to as the Ice Age, which is the last glacial maximum that peaked around ~ 20, 000 years ago.

Also, I don't think that people were around to see the time when earth had no ice caps.
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