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Old 12-09-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Have you experienced it though ? Both Santiago and Buenos Aires barely have winters.

Also the sunshine might be a factor, but what about the night time ?
To me clear night in the winter feels colder than a cloudy night.
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Old 12-12-2020, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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To me clear night in the winter feels colder than a cloudy night.

Not to me, unless the temperature difference is huge.



That said there are many factors contributing to the sensation of cold and humidity is just of them. I generally feel less comfortable in very humid weather but apparently some other people prefer it.
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Old 12-12-2020, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Yep. It works the other way as well. You will overheat quicker in 105°F water (the typical hot tub) than you will in 105°F air
Water is just far superior at heat transfer than air. In fact, air is an insulator. The way double-pane glass windows work is, a thin layer of air between 2 sheets of glass diminishes the heat tranfer from outside your house to inside your house, in both summer and winter.

It is patently obvious that being cold and wet is worse than being cold and dry, for a given temp.
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Old 12-17-2020, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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All I will say, as someone who lives in climate with cold, humid winters, is that I find myself constantly under-estimating the temperature.

Today is actually a sunny day, but it feels very cold indeed. I would estimate the temperature outside as no more than 3-4°C, and that's wearing a coat and hat.

Now, I'm going to look at the actual conditions; It says: 7.9°C, 91% humidity. So "humid" cold indeed. It actually feels about 4 degrees colder to me based on my estimations.
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Old 12-17-2020, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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All I will say, as someone who lives in climate with cold, humid winters, is that I find myself constantly under-estimating the temperature.

Today is actually a sunny day, but it feels very cold indeed. I would estimate the temperature outside as no more than 3-4°C, and that's wearing a coat and hat.

Now, I'm going to look at the actual conditions; It says: 7.9°C, 91% humidity. So "humid" cold indeed. It actually feels about 4 degrees colder to me based on my estimations.
Wind could make a big difference. Normally the weather here is calm even when raining unless there is a strong storm from the ocean. And also the wind is lighter when cloudy for some reason. I think the normal wind speed here is about 3-8 mph in the winter unless there is a wind storm, but these rarely last longer than a few hours. So not just humidity matters how cold it feels. To me wind is more important than humidity or sky (cloudy vs sunny).

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Old 12-17-2020, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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All I will say, as someone who lives in climate with cold, humid winters, is that I find myself constantly under-estimating the temperature.

Today is actually a sunny day, but it feels very cold indeed. I would estimate the temperature outside as no more than 3-4°C, and that's wearing a coat and hat.

Now, I'm going to look at the actual conditions; It says: 7.9°C, 91% humidity. So "humid" cold indeed. It actually feels about 4 degrees colder to me based on my estimations.
Is not that it feels colder, but that it is less healty than dry cold, for the respiratory, bones, etc. instead, so in the end it produces a more uncomfortable feeling, wich may be mistakenly perceived as 'colder'. Plus you have to be more careful with humid cold/damp conditions in order to avoid any sort of hypthermia (the reverse but similar kind of trap you can experience with dry heat). But actually in the winter the key factor to make colder the perception of a given temperature is the wind.
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Old 12-17-2020, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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Is not that it feels colder, but that it is less healty than dry cold, for the respiratory, bones, etc. instead, so in the end it produces a more uncomfortable feeling, wich may be mistakenly perceived as 'colder'.
I disagree. Not uncomfortable - just felt colder to me. I got colder quicker compared to other conditions which I also experience. I have no respiratory or other issues to do with anything weather related here. Also, there was no wind all day on this occasion.

I also disagree that perceptions can be "mistaken" - a perception of how something feels, which is what this thread is about, is what it is, and valid to the person experiencing it. You feel cold when your body is losing heat quicker, and vice versa. My body works pretty well and I'm quite aware of when it feels colder or warmer.

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Old 12-17-2020, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Sheffield, England
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Wind could make a big difference. Normally the weather here is calm even when raining unless there is a strong storm from the ocean. And also the wind is lighter when cloudy for some reason. I think the normal wind speed here is about 3-8 mph in the winter unless there is a wind storm, but these rarely last longer than a few hours. So not just humidity matters how cold it feels. To me wind is more important than humidity or sky (cloudy vs sunny).
The wind was precisely 0mph, and it was sunny, and 7.9°C with 91% humidity.
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Old 12-17-2020, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Lake Huron Shores
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To me it depends on if it’s sunny or cloudy. 5 C and sunny is a nice winter day here. Meanwhile 5 C and overcast is kinda chilly and I’d need a heavier jacket than 5 C and sunny.
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Old 12-18-2020, 02:22 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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All I will say, as someone who lives in climate with cold, humid winters, is that I find myself constantly under-estimating the temperature.

Today is actually a sunny day, but it feels very cold indeed. I would estimate the temperature outside as no more than 3-4°C, and that's wearing a coat and hat.

Now, I'm going to look at the actual conditions; It says: 7.9°C, 91% humidity. So "humid" cold indeed. It actually feels about 4 degrees colder to me based on my estimations.

That's exactly my feelings most of the time, although sun can mitigate the effect a bit


I mean, I've always felt nicer in slightly below freezing temperatures in the mountain where the humidity is very low, as opposed to a random 5c humid winter day down here. Unless it gets to, say, -15c, in that case it's a bit hard but still manageable with the proper clothing.
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