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You kind of notice it though if its that far off. Because like when the clock says 1pm you can kinda tell by the colour of the sky and the position of the sun that its still morning.
Yea, some posters said something similar; that they want an "honest clock". But for myself, I don't see anything wrong with having solar noon at 1:30 pm. Can't figure why it matters unless your mornings are dark.
Yeah, the 1:30 pm solar noon isn't bad at all, ours is at 1:36 pm, on its way to 1:40 pm around the first of July. With your extremely early sunrises, I dunno what your beef is exactly.
In upper Michigan where I'll be going in July, solar noon will be at 2:00 pm exactly - how's that for lateness? Late solar noons are okay in summer, as the mornings aren't that dark (well, maybe a bit here, on very cloudy mornings, such as today), but when they run DST into November and start it up again in March, our sunrises go as late as 8:00 am, so that gets a bit annoying, although people tend to prefer having the 6pm sunsets in midwinter in these parts, which we get even without the help of DST.
As for your location, Nei, I think the New England states really should be in the Atlantic time zone, your solar noon is really quite early - your sunrise is an hour and 12 minutes than ours - whew! 6:13 and 9:25 would be more appropiate sunrise/sunset times for you under DST, imo.
You kind of notice it though if its that far off. Because like when the clock says 1pm you can kinda tell by the colour of the sky and the position of the sun that its still morning.
Now you've really got me confused? Color of the sky at 1pm is different than, say, 3 pm? In summer, the sun is so high, I don't see the difference in late morning or early afternoon - it's high overhead regardless, so I don't see what the difference is.
Now you've really got me confused? Color of the sky at 1pm is different than, say, 3 pm? In summer, the sun is so high, I don't see the difference in late morning or early afternoon - it's high overhead regardless, so I don't see what the difference is.
Each to his/her own I suppose.
I do. The sun is lower here and you actually do. Because in my deck at 11pm the shadow covers the whole deck but at 4pm the deck has the sun on it. Its pretty easy to notice.
If we had it in the winter it would be VERY obvious. Like the sunrise would be 10am!
I prefer the shorter days of winter, but one of the positives of summer is that it "looks" like morning for a longer part of the day.
Maybe? By 10 am the solar angle is rather high and not morning-ish. At the latitude of Northern Ireland, the sun is at 55° at solar noon in June. Even 1:30 before solar noon, I can't see how it would feel like morning by sun angle.
Maybe? By 10 am the solar angle is rather high and not morning-ish. At the latitude of Northern Ireland, the sun is at 55° at solar noon in June. Even 1:30 before solar noon, I can't see how it would feel like morning by sun angle.
Not early morning...it looks like mid-to-late morning. Like 10AM and 1PM don't look drastically different to me. Certainly a subtle difference, but not drastic.
Not early morning...it looks like mid-to-late morning. Like 10AM and 1PM don't look drastically different to me. Certainly a subtle difference, but not drastic.
Sun's at 48° in mid-Jun at 10 am, 15° at 7 am and 71° at 1 pm, assuming 1 pm is solar noon. So, bigger change from 7 am to 10 am than 10 am to 1 pm. Mid-winter is something like 15° at 9 am and 28° at noon.
End Nautical Twilight: 10:44pm PDT
End Astronomical Twilight: 12:12am PDT (on the 12th)
Solar noon @ 1:09pm PDT
Sun angle @ solar noon = 65.5 degrees
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Late solar noons are okay in summer, as the mornings aren't that dark (well, maybe a bit here, on very cloudy mornings, such as today), but when they run DST into November and start it up again in March, our sunrises go as late as 8:00 am, so that gets a bit annoying, although people tend to prefer having the 6pm sunsets in midwinter in these parts, which we get even without the help of DST.
Color of the sky at 1pm is different than, say, 3 pm? In summer, the sun is so high, I don't see the difference in late morning or early afternoon - it's high overhead regardless, so I don't see what the difference is. 
