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Old 04-19-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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C = mild winter (coldest month mean temp ranging from -3C/26F to 18C/64F)
f = fairly distributed precipitation (no significant dry season, and plenty)
b = warm summer (warmest month mean temp ranging from 18C/64F to 22C/72F)


A handful of tropical highland climates and Cfb oceanic climates fulfill those same criteria. Koppen's parameters are only summer/winter temps, precipitation amount and pattern, elevation isn't included, he made the classification back in 19th century

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Old 04-19-2015, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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C= mild winter
f = fairly distributed precipitation
b = warm summer

So Koppen's parameters are only summer/winter temps, precipitation amount and pattern.
Koppen explained climate as cause and effect.

Lembang doesn't fit any of the Cfb criteria. It's driest month has less than a quarter of the rainfall of the wettest month. It's warmest month has an average of 23.6C and a coldest month of 22.2C -nothing remotely Cfb about that.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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The higher elevation areas in lembang do match the "Cfb", they said

Climate: Lembang - Climate graph, Temperature graph, Climate table - Climate-Data.org

I think thats from a weather station located in a higher elevation area in Lembang land, Cwb suits better
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:48 AM
 
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It's just a tropical climate at altitude, nothing else.

I live beside mountains that are snow covered much of the year and classified as sub-polar, but I don't use the climate of Reykjavik to provide better understanding of them. . Understanding my climate provides a far better understanding of the climate nearby.

The same applies to Lembang - low altitude climates in the tropics provide better understanding for lembang's climate than Copenhagen could.

Using purely quantitive parameters to understand climate, has a dumbing down effect on understanding an areas climate.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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That was I thought. I wasn't disagreeing you, I just want to say that Koppen only use quantitive parameters.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Western SC
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Not enough , although I plan to visit many more.

Cfa - Where I live (Greenville, SC), also the rest of the Southeast
Cfb - Blacksburg, VA
Dfb - West Virginia
Dfa - Pennsylvania/NJ

(I've came close to a tropical climate, but somehow central Florida isn't tropical )
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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I haven't been able to find Koppen's actual works, and rely on wikipedia's account, which shows his system as correlating temperature and rainfall to underlying geographical similarity.

He amended his system over a period of nearly 30 years, as well as working with other climatologists, with the result that his climate system (if Wiki is accurate) describes climates in terms of underlying causes linked to temperature/rainfall thresholds. Any grey areas around transitions, are best understood by relating back to underlying causes.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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Aw : surabaya, "fall", "winter", bali, lombok
Af : here, singapore, manado, pontianak
Am : jakarta, bandung

Lembang/puncak is still Af/Am but bordering Cfb.
Wow, your climate experience is a bit narrow.
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Old 04-19-2015, 09:29 AM
 
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Yes only within the tropics world!!! (indonesia malaysia singapore). Indonesia minus the 2000m+ areas is pretty homogenous in terms of climate, with latitude span 6N-11S. Coldest weather experience still same, even a bit warmer than coldest roomtemp experience, latitude experience 9S to 3N

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Old 04-19-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Yes only within the tropics world!!! (indonesia malaysia singapore). Indonesia minus the 2000m+ areas is pretty homogenous in terms of climate. Coldest weather experience still same, even a bit warmer than coldest roomtemp experience, latitude experience 9S to 3N
Your experience is like mine but different. Your areas vary only in rainfall. Mine only vary in temp, the east US is pretty homogeneous in terms of rainfall.
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