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The endless arguments about "hot vs. cold" and the huge variety of perceptions related to that are always a mess, and are getting very repetitive and tedious.
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Originally Posted by sanfel
Patricius Maximus already answered you, but I just want to point out that you didn't get my point.
I was pointing out your point was silly. Nowhere on earth gets to 85C. So why even bring up that hypothetical? Humans couldn't survive at such temps.
What do you mean by 'but there aren't many inhabited places with avg temps well above 70s F? Average means, I assume? Well many places in the tropics have average temperatures of 80F and above and they're well populated. Nigeria and Brazil are too examples. Civilisation began in Mesopotamia. Baghdad has an annual mean in the 70s and it was one of the biggest cities in the world.
The most densely populated areas tend to have annual means between about 10-25C. There's no bias to 'colder than comfortable temperatures', it also depends on how well adapted the local populace is to the climate. Thinking that Britain is the ideal climate for all humans is very Euro-centric. Africans, Asians and Americans thrive in warm, tropical climates.
Then why bring the mortality argument up at all? Basically this discussion is about what type of weather people like and dislike. It's not a life or death issue.
to prove that heat preference is more of a fetish than a comfort thing. If humans are really adapted to heat, then why are they dying in such large numbers. The mortality number shows that the human body is more adapted to dealing with the cold than its opposite.
I was pointing out your point was silly. Nowhere on earth gets to 85C. So why even bring up that hypothetical? Humans couldn't survive at such temps.
Well, bringing up my point serves the purpose of illustrating a thought or an impression that I had, and it's up for debate, just that. And by the way, in my original post I wrote "I know that there may not be places that hot on Earth, but even if there were, it would be unthinkable to inhabit such places", by which I meant to point out the hypothetical situation.
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Originally Posted by Trimac20
What do you mean by 'but there aren't many inhabited places with avg temps well above 70s F? Average means, I assume? Well many places in the tropics have average temperatures of 80F and above and they're well populated. Nigeria and Brazil are too examples. Civilisation began in Mesopotamia. Baghdad has an annual mean in the 70s and it was one of the biggest cities in the world.
Yes, I mean average means. And just because of what you are pointing out, I said "WELL above", not just above. Yes, I know there are places with average means above 70s F, but not as far above as there are places far below that range.
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Originally Posted by Trimac20
The most densely populated areas tend to have annual means between about 10-25C. There's no bias to 'colder than comfortable temperatures', it also depends on how well adapted the local populace is to the climate.
Yes, I know, but that doesn't affect my argument. I'm just saying that there are more inhabited places with means far below the comfortable range than places with means far above the comfortable range.
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Originally Posted by Trimac20
Thinking that Britain is the ideal climate for all humans is very Euro-centric. Africans, Asians and Americans thrive in warm, tropical climates.
Well, I didn't say anything about Britain, nor that it is an ideal climate (it isn't for me, anyway). And I'm not saying anything about Euro-centricity. By the way, ironically, the British and many other Northern Europeans are among the first to promote the idea that tropical weather is paradise. So, in a way, the desire to live in a "tropical paradise" could be thought of as Euro-centric too. But I don't imply that, I'm just saying.
As a last note, I'm just discussing this, but it's not my intention to take it so seriously as if it was a race or something like that. We're just discussing.
there are times when I dread the winter weather just as much and want summer to come back. Like two days a go I got a runny nose and now painful cold sores just popped out. garh....I look so so terrible, can't go anywhere. Nevertheless, I still prefer cold and cloudy conditions year round.
Conversely I can say whenever we have an unseasonably warm spell with lots of sun here everyone seems in a much better mood, and enjoying outdoors from what I've seen.
Could be because Britain is usually just so cold and cloudy and our warm spells aren't particularly hot, but pleasant.
I remember the unusually warm April weather last year, and how so many people were able to go out and enjoy the weather at the weekends, there were many more people going to the parks and even swimming in the water, playing outdoor games, people having picnics, even sitting with their tops off, loving it. You can't usually do that even in summer most of the time here. A typical drab rainy cold summer's day would see all those aforementioned places empty and people sitting getting fatter in front of the TV.
Where do you live? I don't think our summers are that bad at all, although it depends where you live! I spend a lot of time outside in my job and its certainly not that bad, cloudy yes, but not cold!
Where do you live? I don't think our summers are that bad at all, although it depends where you live! I spend a lot of time outside in my job and its certainly not that bad, cloudy yes, but not cold!
He lives in Buxton which is the coldest town in England I think.
SE England doesn't have bad summers, London averages 14-24 and it's usually dry at that time of year.
In the UK there are usually only a few hundred heat related deaths, but in winter there can be as many as 20-30,000 cold related deaths, despite being one of the warmest European countries at that time.
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But then, our average high for July and August is something like 73F. Much over that and I start getting cantankerous.
