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View Poll Results: What climate do you prefer?
Sydney, Australia 52 61.90%
Atlanta, Georgia, USA 32 38.10%
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Buxton, England
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Ha. Loads of palm trees grow in coastal SE England. Most things that can grow in Atlanta will grow in SE England. When I went down there a few times last year, there were palms in practically everybody's back gardens. I loved the contrast of those trees against the arts & crafts etc... building styles common there.

Just as an aside: a few months ago I noticed somebody was successfully managing to grow a type of palm in Buxton... I walked into it (in the dark), ouch.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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I used to live in North GA, and you will not see palms anywhere unless they were put there on purpose. Palms really aren't common once you pass Valdosta or Adel in south GA. I've been to downtown Atlanta countless times and I have never seen a palm tree there before....ever.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Ha. Loads of palm trees grow in coastal SE England. Most things that can grow in Atlanta will grow in SE England. When I went down there a few times last year, there were palms in practically everybody's back gardens. I loved the contrast of those trees against the arts & crafts etc... building styles common there.

Just as an aside: a few months ago I noticed somebody was successfully managing to grow a type of palm in Buxton... I walked into it (in the dark), ouch.
I would guess that Atlanta has lower extreme lows annually than SE England, so as surprising as this may sound I think palms might survive better in SE England than they would anywhere north of Macon.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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Those palms would thrive in either Sydney or Melbourne. .
I think you might have missed the point

YOU said palms would not survive in Atlanta (not me)…which is clearly an error based on the facts. Palms DO survive in Atlanta.

Another error (I think)… if by saying “those palms would thrive thrive in either Sydney or Melbourne” (the ones pictured above) is also incorrect: At least two of the palms in the picture above are Sabal Palmetto – they need very hot summers to grow large and have a full canopy. Sydney and especially Melbourne are far too cold in summer for Sable Palmetto to do well in those locations. Sabal "might" survive in Melbourne…but they would never thrive.

Folks who live in cool climates like Sydney and Melbourne love to use "records" when they talk about their climates compared to others, it makes them seem warmer - lol. It hits 90 F (or higher) 30 to 45 days a year in Atlanta on average...and 90 days a year in southern Georgia on average hit 90 F or higher. What are the average number of 90 F days in Melbourne each summer - lol.

I know you think that Australia is so mild…but compared to many locations like Atlanta you have a lot of cool weather.

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Old 02-02-2012, 08:59 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Anyone notice Sydney is constantly being compared to other cities? No surprise, I vote for it again!
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:05 AM
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I know you think that Australia is so mild…but compared to many locations like Atlanta you have a lot of cool weather.
They only cool weather (less than 70°F which is a very generous definition of cool) is from May to Sep or Nov to Mar in NH terms. Atlanta is colder, sometimes much colder Sydney.

Sydney record low is greater than freezing. While some tropical plants might have trouble with the lack of real heat, Atlanta's frosts will be much more limiting to tropical plants than the lack of hot summers in Sydney.

As to which one I prefer, Sydney without hesitation. Though Sydney is perfect, I dislike that summer is the cloudier season, and the summers could be hotter but they're still decently warm, and worthwhile trade off for the winters.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:07 AM
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Folks who live in cool climates like Sydney and Melbourne love to use "records" when they talk about their climates compared to others, it makes them seem warmer - lol. It hits 90 F (or higher) 30 to 45 days a year in Atlanta on average...and 90 days a year in southern Georgia on average hit 90 F or higher. What are the average number of 90 F days in Melbourne each summer - lol.
But look at the number of nights below 32°F, days below 50°F and Atlanta does terribly compared to Melbourne and Sydney.

I dislike Sydney's summer records, but going by the number of days above 90°F is another point in its favor compared to Atlanta.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Toronto
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Sydney. Its summers are warm enough (enough months in the 20s C) and winters milder than Atlanta's.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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They only cool weather (less than 70°F which is a very generous definition of cool) is from May to Sep or Nov to Mar in NH terms. Atlanta is colder, sometimes much colder Sydney.

Sydney record low is greater than freezing. While some tropical plants might have trouble with the lack of real heat, Atlanta's frosts will be much more limiting to tropical plants than the lack of hot summers in Sydney.

As to which one I prefer, Sydney without hesitation. Though Sydney is perfect, I dislike that summer is the cloudier season, and the summers could be hotter but they're still decently warm, and worthwhile trade off for the winters.


Keep in mind that not all palms are "tropical". There are many subtropical and temperate climate palms. So true tropical plants" would struggle in any climates that gets cool/cold weather.

My point was not that Atlanta has warmer winters than Sydney - only that it is inccorect to say there are no palm trees in Atlanta.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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But look at the number of nights below 32°F, days below 50°F and Atlanta does terribly compared to Melbourne and Sydney.

I dislike Sydney's summer records, but going by the number of days above 90°F is another point in its favor compared to Atlanta.
I just checked Atlanta's NWS data set (Atlanta)...they report 332 days per year (on average) that reach 50 F (10 C) or higher. I would guess that a day that fails to hit 50 F (or higher) is not all that common. Perhaps 5/7 times a month from late December through March
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