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View Poll Results: China vs the United States:
China 9 12.33%
the United States 64 87.67%
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:35 AM
tij
 
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I will count the population of the colder provinces/areas of China and the warmer provinces/areas:

Colder areas: Shandong (96m), Henan (94m), Hebei (71m), Liaoning (45m), Heilongjiang (38m), Shaanxi (37m), Shanxi (36m), Jilin (27m), Gansu (26m), Inner Mongolia (25m), Xinjiang (22m), Beijing (20m), Tianjin (13m), Ningxia (6.3m), Qinghai (5.6m), Tibet (3.0m)

Total: 564.9m

Warmer areas: Guangdong (104m), Sichuan (80m), Jiangsu (79m), Hunan (66m), Anhui (60m), Hubei (57m), Zhejiang (54m), Guangxi (46m), Yunnan (46m), Jiangxi (45m), Fujian (37m), Guizhou (35m), Chongqing (29m), Shanghai (23m), Hainan (9.2m), Hong Kong (7.1m), Macau (5.5m)

Total: 782.8m

Note that the warmer areas generally have average annual means of at least 16C, which is warmer than Virginia Beach. Taking this into account, I will count the population of the colder and warmer states of the USA:

Colder states: NY (20m), PA (13m), IL (13m), OH (12m), MI (10.0m), NJ (9.0m), VA (8.5m), WA (7.4m), MA (6.9m), IN (6.7m), MO (6.1m), MD (6.1m), WI (5.8m), CO (5.6m), MN (5.6m), KY (4.5m), OR (4.1m), CT (3.6m), IA (3.1m), UT (3.1m), KS (2.9m), NE (1.9m), WV (1.8m), ID (1.7m), NH (1.3m), ME (1.3m), RI (1.1m), MT (1.1m), DE (962k), SD (870k), ND (755k), AK (740k), VT (624k), WY (579k)

Total: 171.73m

Warmer states: CA (40m), TX (28m), FL (21m), GA (10m), NC (10m), AZ (7.0m), TN (6.7m), SC (5.0m), AL (4.9m), LA (4.7m), OK (3.9m), AR (3.0m), NV (3.0m), MS (3.0m), NM (2.1m), HI (1.4m)

Territories: PR (3.3m), GU (162k), VI (104k), AS (57k), MP (52k)

Total: 157.375m

And note that even though CA is counted as a warm state, San Francisco only has an annual mean of 14.1C, which is lower than some capitals of the colder Chinese provinces, like Zhengzhou and my birthplace of Jinan.

We can now see that China is warmer overall when consider population now. A big reason for it is that Chinese climates tend to be warmer in the shoulder seasons if summer and winter temperatures are the same. Another major reason is that Chinese climates tend to have warmer summer lows.

However, the USA might be warmer if we only take winters into account.
Thanks so much for this! I didn't realize China's shoulder seasons are warmer, but that makes total sense, as much of the country is at a lower latitude than the US (and that's why I felt Beijing was "warmer" than it immediately looked). I notice Russian matches for summer and winter, to the contrary, have colder shoulder seasons than American Climates.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:36 AM
 
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USA has Mediterranean climates. China doesn't have such a thing.

USA wins.
Agree on that one.
Too many extreme, humid and continental climates in China as well.
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Old 02-05-2019, 07:21 AM
 
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However, the USA might be warmer if we only take winters into account.
Yes, but only during the daytime. Most areas in China have very high nighttime temperatures compared to the US.

For example, Atlanta, Georgia has an Average low of 34 and is located in the Southern Corner of the Country.


For a city that has a low that close to the freezing mark in China, you have to go to the far North or far inland in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzhou#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangzhou#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang#Climate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlo...nd_environment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis#Climate
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:13 AM
tij
 
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Yes, but only during the daytime. Most areas in China have very high nighttime temperatures compared to the US.

For example, Atlanta, Georgia has an Average low of 34 and is located in the Southern Corner of the Country.


For a city that has a low that close to the freezing mark in China, you have to go to the far North or far inland in the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzhou#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangzhou#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang#Climate


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlo...nd_environment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago#Climate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis#Climate
I sure wouldn't quite call Nanjing "far north" or "far inland"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjin...nd_environment
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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The US has far more perfect climates than China does.
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Old 02-05-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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China climates are rubbish for the most part. The northern climates are far too dry in the winter and the southern climates far too wet in the summer. US climates are far more balanced with regards to precip, plus we have the highly rated Med climates and Oceanic climates. The US is far better in any respect.
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Old 02-05-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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China climates are rubbish for the most part. The northern climates are far too dry in the winter and the southern climates far too wet in the summer. US climates are far more balanced with regards to precip, plus we have the highly rated Med climates and Oceanic climates. The US is far better in any respect.
Med climate is comfortable for humans but not really good for agriculture. Summer precipitation is way too low.

Mainland China also has some frost free regions, and about 1/5 of China never recorded -15 C or lower.

However all of contiguous US has records of 0 C or lower. The vast majority has -15 C or lower.
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Old 02-05-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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Med climate is comfortable for humans but not really good for agriculture. Summer precipitation is way too low.

Mainland China also has some frost free regions, and about 1/5 of China never recorded -15 C or lower.

However all of contiguous US has records of 0 C or lower. The vast majority has -15 C or lower.
The best agricultural land in the US is in California. Tomatoes, grapes, olives, pumpkins, and beans require a dry summer. They grow using the stored moisture in the soil from the winter rainy season or from irrigation. CA has large reservoirs that fill in the winter time and these are used to irrigate crops that require a lot of water in the summer like almonds but a lot of the crops grown in California are suited to the climate and most of the vegetable and fruit produce that the US consumes (vs. grows for feed) is grown in California. Compare to some place like Iowa. Lots of corn and soybeans grown but most is used for feed for cows and other animals.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-so-much...so-little-rain
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Old 02-05-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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The best agricultural land in the US is in California. Tomatoes, grapes, olives, pumpkins, and beans require a dry summer. They grow using the stored moisture in the soil from the winter rainy season or from irrigation. CA has large reservoirs that fill in the winter time and these are used to irrigate crops that require a lot of water in the summer like almonds but a lot of the crops grown in California are suited to the climate and most of the vegetable and fruit produce that the US consumes (vs. grows for feed) is grown in California. Compare to some place like Iowa. Lots of corn and soybeans grown but most is used for feed for cows and other animals.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-so-much...so-little-rain
I was talking about the climate per se, without irrigation systems.

Another issue with the west coast of America is the summer temperatures are not stable enough (especially in the north) for certain crops. During rice flowering, the best temperature is 25~30 C (77~86 F), and a long-term cool temperature of 17 C (63 F) or lower can kill the flowers.

While rice can grow at 45 N in China, in the US it typically cannot grow beyond SF area in CA. The Midwest of America has horrible winters, but the summer weather is actually better for agriculture than CA.
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Old 08-11-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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USA by far.

They have California.

China is just humid subtropical, continental and desert. All which can get very cold and hot.
China has Kunming, cool in winter(38-59F) and warm in summer(63-76F), better than San Francisco (45-70F all year).

US can get very cold(Boston) and hot(Las Vegas) too, especially Texas, sometimes even worse than China.
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