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Old 02-23-2013, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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Thats what I thought. I've seen this before as low as -6c.

Whatever the temp it is freezing, just went out to see snow grains and they are sticking a bit. The ground is freezing cold. My feet were freezing.

Such a pity it weren't a few degrees colder. Say -2c
I see that you were talking about "visible frost", not just "frost". I don't notice much frost at all most of the time in winter (i.e. there's not a huge hoar frost layer 24/7), but the freezing weather and frost is still there. Of course at 0C things can get a bit tricky, but the same basics apply.

Meanwhile, here's a snapshot I found of Hawaii's Winter Storm Warning:



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You can see the shape of the flake now.

I always find it weird how when we get snizzle you can see the corners and shapes of the snowflake but when it snows heavy its just like a big round blob.
Assuming all other things are equal (snow ratios, humidity, temp, etc.), I have found that one can make out the shapes of snowflakes in heavy snow as well, it's just that when it snows in earnest there are so many snowflakes that you don't notice them. Things are rarely equal when it comes to snow, but that's my humble opinion.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:19 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Well when its frosty here it is usually white and Icy so thats why its such a surprise. Its probably dry because of the continental airmass.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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Well when its frosty here it is usually white and Icy so thats why its such a surprise. Its probably dry because of the continental airmass.
Ah. Since I'm in the interior I suppose I'm used to less-visible frosts (though mostly in winter; the first frost and last frost are typically white and icy). Since you're practically right on the coast there's more moisture to work with (I think ).
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:25 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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PM are think 'visible frosts' are most likely in moisture ladened climates.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:26 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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I am really surprised that you don't get white frosts. Because I had thought that this was a rare phenomena and that everywhere got white frosts at night. I guess not.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:30 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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His climate must be dry as she said she lives in the interior so the air will be drier I surpose
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:31 AM
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I am really surprised that you don't get white frosts. Because I had thought that this was a rare phenomena and that everywhere got white frosts at night. I guess not.
For me, it seems like they happen more at the beginning or end of the cold season. I never hear any talk at frosts in the middle of winter. I've seen plenty of visible ones, sometimes they don't last very long, so I might have missed them if I don't go outside fast enough.
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Well i find that weird. Because it is possible to get quite humid in the winter. I suppose if there is snow you wouldnt see it. I just found it weird below freezing with no frost when we can get frost at the temp im at now. (1c)
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Old 02-23-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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I find it odd too that many places don't get visible frosts.

If there is no snow, we can enjoy wintry scenes such as this:

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Old 02-23-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Yes sometimes the frost is super white. If it is foggy for a few days it can build up the layers and look like snow. Id love hoar frost had loads of it 2010. Temps and dews are low enough now just its too cloudy!!

Sunny in glasgow though so...
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