Winter Hits Europe – Stockholm Has Coldest Day in 84 Years! Sweden Coldest Temperature In 20 Years! (warm, record)

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by nei

Above average warmth has been more common than below average temperatures. I can cherrypick for just the US:

Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog : U.S. experiences warmest 12-month period on record | Weather Underground

Exactly, thank you. So these rare events are more worth noting than the warmth. Cold events are happening yet we dont hear about them. Getting tired of that so the spin stops here

[RWood]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Are you saying it always snows in Summer there? I hope I'm "picking" the "rare" events. I feel its my job to stop the spin of the global warming garbage out there since nobody posts cold related events. Plus I enjoy it.



Yes, I was aware. He's not credit worthy to me...only entertainment.

Ahhh, very interesting if true, thanks! Any source for that to back up your claim??

"Global warming garbage" is your offensive subjective term. Are you one of the many who conveniently pretend that GW means there should be no cold anomalies present at any given time or on some part of the planet, or that anything other than uniform temperature increases overriding all cyclic phenonema disproves it?

The source for my claim is the story beneath the headline!!! In other words, the headline implicitly contradicts the report!

[RWood]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Exactly, thank you. So these rare events are more worth noting than the warmth. Cold events are happening yet we dont hear about them. Getting tired of that so the spin stops here

Perhaps you'd care to comment on the fact that in the last 5-6 years there have been several cold events of season in the southern half of South America which garnered ample headlines - while the large warmth anomalies in the rest of the continent which cancelled out or negated the continent's anomaly received no mention at all that I could find? I gave some details on this a few years back on this forum, about the southern winter of 2007.

[Cambium]

Everyone needs to read the story. Thats the point of articles, to read details. The headline missed one word. "June" It should have read, STOCKHOLM BROKE AN 84-YEAR-OLD JUNE COLD RECORD ON SATURDAY. Whether it was intentional to grab audience attention or an accident, The statistic is 100% accurate that they didnt have those temps on that day in 85years.


One word was left out but then if you read the story its obvious.

Originally Posted by Cambium

“Stockholm broke an 84-year-old cold record on Saturday, as the capital’s temperature only reached 6 degrees Celsius, the lowest June maximum daily temperature the city has seen since 1928.

[nei]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Exactly, thank you. So these rare events are more worth noting than the warmth. Cold events are happening yet we dont hear about them. Getting tired of that so the spin stops here

This graphic shows warm events have become more common than cold events in recent decades, at least in the US:



from

Climate Change : Heads and Tails: Still thinking about Spring 2012 | Weather Underground

[Patricius Maximus]

Well, the ratio is/was 2 to 1, not 2 to 0. Plus that's the 2000's which will turn out a lot warmer than the 2010's worldwide, and it's just the United States, not the whole world (understandably because that's the best measure available because of the diversity, breadth, and density of US weather stations).

Besides, rare and interesting weather events deserve to be reported on and discussed, especially among people who are supposedly weather enthusiasts. Cambium has done just that. If someone wants to highlight warm anomalies and events that would be fine as well. As far as I'm concerned, the more the better. I fail to realize why climate change agendas or any other kind of "agenda" has to be injected into this.

Look at his "Winter Continues in Western U.S." thread. It's positively fascinating and I enjoy looking at the latest developments, especially the cold and snowy ones. You won't see any of that on mainstream news outlets. If you're not interested it's very easy to not click on that or any other topic.

[tom77falcons]

Even though I prefer warm weather over cold, I would not like to see warmer temperatures become the norm. My main concern is sea level rise destroying all the beaches I love. If we get some cooling hopefully it will slow down sea level rise. There are many critically eroded beaches in the US now, and it will only get worse with sea level rise. A 30 year cooling cycle might help to slow that down.

I remember Joe Bastardi claiming that we were in store for a cool down due to the Pacific Ocean SST's dropping back down from warmer than average. I'm not a fan of Bastardi, but maybe he was on to something if we start getting more cold anomolies vs warm. Currently though I agree with R Wood on this one, more warm anomolies happening all over than cold. That summer in Russia a couple years back was crazy.

[RWood]

Originally Posted by Patricius Maximus

Plus that's the 2000's which will turn out a lot warmer than the 2010's worldwide.

Show me one respectable peer-reviewed analysis that says the 2010s will be "a lot" cooler than the 2000s. A couple of decent El Ninos alone would put paid to that in all likelihood.

[Patricius Maximus]

Originally Posted by RWood

Show me one respectable peer-reviewed analysis that says the 2010s will be "a lot" cooler than the 2000s. A couple of decent El Ninos alone would put paid to that in all likelihood.

I'd advise waiting until actual data comes out in 2020 before ridiculing any predictions . When it comes to truth nature inevitably has veto power over the opinion of the majority. I'd expect you to know better than to assume the future will be identical to the recent past. The same statement you made, only on the opposite end of the spectrum of climate change, could have easily been said 30 years ago, and we all know what happened after that.

[RWood]

Originally Posted by Patricius Maximus

I'd advise waiting until actual data comes out in 2020 before ridiculing any predictions . When it comes to truth nature inevitably has veto power over the opinion of the majority. I'd expect you to know better than to assume the future will be identical to the recent past. The same statement you made, only on the opposite end of the spectrum of climate change, could have easily been said 30 years ago, and we all know what happened after that.

I'm not ridiculing a prediction per se, just saying that I don't think there is any particular circumstance or upcoming phenomenon that justifies it - remember you're saying that the 2010s will turn out to be a lot cooler than the 2000s. There's a fair amount of "daylight" between that result and getting an "identical" result. My challenge remains.