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Its nowhere near sub-tropical! If you can't grow a banana its not sub-tropical - in fact scrub that, they grow bananas on the Scilly Isles (average winter night time low +6 Deg C) and even they're not sub-tropical.
I would disagree, and say that the environment has a degree of subtropical-ness about it.
I regard mine as the same because higher levels of cold season growth are the most tangible evidence of a subtropical environment.
I would disagree, and say that the environment has a degree of subtropical-ness about it.
I regard mine as the same because higher levels of cold season growth are the most tangible evidence of a subtropical environment.
It grows sub-tropical plants, its winters are frost free but like NZ it lacks any real summer heat, don't you think both places need to average nearer the 30's Centigrade in the Summer to feel sub-tropical?
It grows sub-tropical plants, its winters are frost free but like NZ it lacks any real summer heat, don't you think both places need to average nearer the 30's Centigrade in the Summer to feel sub-tropical?
No, because that just means that they are warm summer climates - a higher level of growth on a year round basis is more significant than just warm summers for determining the nature of the environment.
No, because that just means that they are warm summer climates - a higher level of growth on a year round basis is more significant than just warm summers for determining the nature of the environment.
OK fair enough, I do agree that the Scilly Isles, New Zealand etc do have a degree of sub-tropicalness about them, the flora they support are the best testament to this, even if they're not strictly speaking sub-tropical they're certainly an awful lot closer to 'sub-tropical' than Onario or New york thats for sure!
I think the climates ability to accommodate tropical flora is the best way to measure just 'how' tropical/sub-tropical any place is, there is NO better judge than nature.
OK fair enough, I do agree that the Scilly Isles, New Zealand etc do have a degree of sub-tropicalness about them, the flora they support are the best testament to this, even if they're not strictly speaking sub-tropical they're certainly an awful lot closer to 'sub-tropical' than Onario or New york thats for sure!
I think the climates ability to accommodate tropical flora is the best way to measure just 'how' tropical/sub-tropical any place is, there is NO better judge than nature.
If subtropical doesn't mean an ecosystem that still operates in winter, at levels not too dissimilar to summer, then there is actually no other word that describes this.
If subtropical doesn't mean an ecosystem that still operates in winter, at levels not too dissimilar to summer, then there is actually no other word that describes this.
Oceanic is one type of climate that fits this criteria
Tropical is the other type
This is not the defining characteristic of a subtropical climate from any established definition that I understand. Not sure why that’s the word of choice.
Oceanic is one type of climate that fits this criteria
Tropical is the other type
This is not the defining characteristic of a subtropical climate from any established definition that I understand. Not sure why that’s the word of choice.
Only some Oceanic climates fit this criteria. Subtropical has long been a term associated with the environment, whereas Oceanic gardens, or Oceanic forest, isn't a term you will hear.
A good thing to note is that the vast majority of Southern Ontario is basically like the Midwest, brown in the winter due to exposed dirt, but once May comes, it gets all green due to the corn shoots in the same dirt.
For starters, this is the main area in which Canadians get a lot of their fresh produce and agricultural crops, other than the Prairies provinces anyway. That means that they wouldn't really see big changes in the overall landscape to feel lusher, except for around towns and cities. However, some people really do like it where Southern Ontario would have maples and spruces, but probably not as cold, so they don't go further north than that as you can see from population density maps.
A good thing to note is that the vast majority of Southern Ontario is basically like the Midwest, brown in the winter due to exposed dirt, but once May comes, it gets all green due to the corn shoots in the same dirt.
For starters, this is the main area in which Canadians get a lot of their fresh produce and agricultural crops, other than the Prairies provinces anyway. That means that they wouldn't really see big changes in the overall landscape to feel lusher, except for around towns and cities. However, some people really do like it where Southern Ontario would have maples and spruces, but probably not as cold, so they don't go further north than that as you can see from population density maps.
Very true
Southern Ontario is nowhere near like it’s natural environment anymore. It is probably one of the most heavily deforested areas in North America due to its flat terrain, (relatively) dry winter climate and lack of major flood plains. That’s a big reason why it looks so different from, say, the upstate Hudson Valley despite being relatively similar in temperatures
Very true
Southern Ontario is nowhere near like it’s natural environment anymore. It is probably one of the most heavily deforested areas in North America due to its flat terrain, (relatively) dry winter climate and lack of major flood plains. That’s a big reason why it looks so different from, say, the upstate Hudson Valley despite being relatively similar in temperatures
For somewhere that is actually more considerable to be subtropical(VA), a lot of broadleaf evergreens are actually visible if you travel on I-64 from the Blue Ridge Mountains onwards, except for more urbanized regions for obvious reasons . It looks a lot lusher than say, PA or OH, but you would see that it is rather a balance of deciduous and evergreen, both kinds of evergreens anyway.
It's a really interesting zone area that gets little attention for the potential of a mix between the oaks, beeches, hickories and the pines, laurels, and hollies. Despite some people liking the totality of a perfect broadleaf evergreen ecosystem, you notice that central and eastern VA are very special areas indeed, despite it seeming like it's temperate on the surface.
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If you can't grow a banana its not sub-tropical - in fact scrub that, they grow bananas on the Scilly Isles (average winter night time low +6 Deg C) and even they're not sub-tropical.
. It looks a lot lusher than say, PA or OH, but you would see that it is rather a balance of deciduous and evergreen, both kinds of evergreens anyway.
