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Fine, but you initially said warmer winters, not milder winters. If someone wants warmer winters the US has more to offer. Including in places close to skiing.
And again, your New Zealand oceanic climates are not typical of most oceanic climates: most people who want an oceanic climate will want something like Ireland.
So what you're really saying is that if someone wants a climate like New Zealand, they should look in New Zealand. Which is of course true, but ultimately not that helpful.
What I am really saying, is that the US is limited in it's range of oceanic climates -a freshly squeezed OJ, and an afternoon's skiing, isn't a happening thing.
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I can understand people would prefer NZ over Ireland, for the general mildness of the climate and more sunshine. The closest comparison would be SW France and NW Spain, but as for the U.S. I cannot really see anything similar. As Joe said, the PNW has a distinctive rainy winters / dry summers pattern which is not that common (or that strong) in other Cfb climates. And winters are still colder than NZ. Other places in the U.S. which feature mild/warm winters do have hot steaming long summers.
Every place is unique I guess.
Yep, no Biarritz, Vigo or Tauranga in the US -quite a gap, imo.
What I am really saying, is that the US is limited in it's range of oceanic climates -a freshly squeezed OJ, and an afternoon's skiing, isn't a happening thing.
Yep, no Biarritz, Vigo or Tauranga in the US -quite a gap, imo.
Orange trees have precious little to do with Oceanic climates. Please stop bringing them into the equation. And you're wrong about the skiing too.
I agree, the US is limited in its range of oceanic climates. But again, someone looking for oceanic climates is going to imagine a place like Ireland and not New Zealand. Why? Because the majority of places with oceanic climates are much more like Ireland. New Zealand is the exception, not the rule.
On the other hand, someone looking for mild winters and wet summers and skiing through the orange groves may indeed like what they see in New Zealand. But said person is not looking for an oceanic climate--at least not in the traditional and commonly-used sense of the word.
Finally, if someone is looking for warm winters they'll skip over New Zealand entirely. Every time I go to Brisbane the place is full of Kiwis looking to warm up.
Orange trees have precious little to do with Oceanic climates. Please stop bringing them into the equation. And you're wrong about the skiing too.
I agree, the US is limited in its range of oceanic climates. But again, someone looking for oceanic climates is going to imagine a place like Ireland and not New Zealand. Why? Because the majority of places with oceanic climates are much more like Ireland. New Zealand is the exception, not the rule.
On the other hand, someone looking for mild winters and wet summers and skiing through the orange groves may indeed like what they see in New Zealand. But said person is not looking for an oceanic climate--at least not in the traditional and commonly-used sense of the word.
Finally, if someone is looking for warm winters they'll skip over New Zealand entirely. Every time I go to Brisbane the place is full of Kiwis looking to warm up.
Where is that shot of orange groves and snow capped mountains? Cool contrasts.
Orange trees have precious little to do with Oceanic climates. Please stop bringing them into the equation. And you're wrong about the skiing too.
I agree, the US is limited in its range of oceanic climates. But again, someone looking for oceanic climates is going to imagine a place like Ireland and not New Zealand. Why? Because the majority of places with oceanic climates are much more like Ireland. New Zealand is the exception, not the rule.
On the other hand, someone looking for mild winters and wet summers and skiing through the orange groves may indeed like what they see in New Zealand. But said person is not looking for an oceanic climate--at least not in the traditional and commonly-used sense of the word.
Finally, if someone is looking for warm winters they'll skip over New Zealand entirely. Every time I go to Brisbane the place is full of Kiwis looking to warm up.
The north coast of Spain or the SW coast of France have marvelous Oceanic climates too buddy...
Orange trees have precious little to do with Oceanic climates. Please stop bringing them into the equation. And you're wrong about the skiing too.
Oranges have everything to do with the discussion, as the topic is tastes in climate -totally subjective.
Nice photo, but it really just backs up my claim.
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I agree, the US is limited in its range of oceanic climates. But again, someone looking for oceanic climates is going to imagine a place like Ireland and not New Zealand. Why? Because the majority of places with oceanic climates are much more like Ireland. New Zealand is the exception, not the rule.
The average person doesn't really know what an oceanic climate is imo.
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On the other hand, someone looking for mild winters and wet summers and skiing through the orange groves may indeed like what they see in New Zealand. But said person is not looking for an oceanic climate--at least not in the traditional and commonly-used sense of the word.
It doesn't matter what they looking for, it's still an oceanic climate.
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Finally, if someone is looking for warm winters they'll skip over New Zealand entirely. Every time I go to Brisbane the place is full of Kiwis looking to warm up.
There are very few excellent climates in the US, just tiny pieces of Cali and Oregon. In Europe on the other hand, anything on the Mediterranean, or anywhere in Western Europe below 45N is going to have a majestic climate. Even the continental Balkans have very nice continental climates. Just look at Skopje https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopje#Climate This is a beautiful four season climate with a quick warmup in March and nice humidity, a million times better than anything you can find in the eastern 2/3rds of the US at the same latitude
I like the extremes that can occur with more frequency here than pretty much anywhere else on the planet
Like 99 degrees (37C) in Oklahoma on February 11th
And now in May there's a straight up blizzard in Kansas and Nebraska
Though I much rather have the 99F than a blizzard in May
blizzard in february and 99F in may is great, but the other way around at the same place is kinda annoying methinks. I like variety but that's a bit too much for me to take.
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