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Old 06-12-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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Looking at today and Thur forcasts for Death Valley with highs near 115 F forecasted (and it's only late spring)....I find it strange that in July and August they can never seem to get a tiny bit warmer - only 15 to 18 F to get into the lower 130's F/49 C. The 134 F record was more than 80 years ago!

Is this bad luck(or good luck) or is it just the higher deviations are so rare?

Will we see =130 F/49 C in our lifetimes?






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Old 06-12-2013, 08:02 AM
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The 134°F record is likely an error, though Death Valley's 129°F highs are still the hottest recorded in the world.

Weather Extremes : Hottest air temperatures reported on Earth | Weather Underground

The instrument shelter at Greenland Ranch in 1926. At this time the thermometers were located just 3.5 feet above the ground, which is about 2 feet lower than normally accepted for official measurements. The COOP form for Greenland Ranch in August 1924 shows some very suspicious readings with 16 nights above 100° including a 12-day consecutive stretch of such, including two at 110°! The modern (post 1934) record for Death Valley has never had more than 3 consecutive nights above 100° and a hottest night-ever of 104° on July 23-24, 2003.
 
Old 06-12-2013, 08:18 AM
 
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The 134°F record is likely an error, though Death Valley's 129°F highs are still the hottest recorded in the world.

Weather Extremes : Hottest air temperatures reported on Earth | Weather Underground

The instrument shelter at Greenland Ranch in 1926. At this time the thermometers were located just 3.5 feet above the ground, which is about 2 feet lower than normally accepted for official measurements. The COOP form for Greenland Ranch in August 1924 shows some very suspicious readings with 16 nights above 100° including a 12-day consecutive stretch of such, including two at 110°! The modern (post 1934) record for Death Valley has never had more than 3 consecutive nights above 100° and a hottest night-ever of 104° on July 23-24, 2003.
I always thought the world record was 136 F in north Africa somewhere?
 
Old 06-12-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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Been dismissed, and the official high is the Death Valley reading at Greenland Ranch which HAS been accepted by the WMO

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After examining the temperature record in detail, Court noted that this temperature may be the result of a sandstorm that occurred at the time. Such a storm may have caused superheated surface materials to hit upon the temperature in the shelter.

Previous record of 58C recorded at El Azizia Libya was reviewed (2010-2012) by a World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Commission of Climatology (CCl) special international panel of meteorological experts conducted an in-depth investigation of the long-held world-record temperature extreme of 58ºC (136.4 ºF). That temperature (often cited by numerous sources as the highest surface temperature for the planet) was recorded at El Azizia (approximately 40 kilometers south-southwest of Tripoli) in what is now modern-day Libya on 13 September 1922.

The investigating committee (including experts from Libya, Italy, Spain, Egypt, France, Morocco, Argentina, United States, and United Kingdom) identified five major concerns with the 1922 El Azizia temperature extreme record, specifically (a) problematical instrumentation, (b) a likely inexperienced observer, (c) an observation site which was not representative of the desert surroundings, (d) poor matching of the extreme to other nearby locations and (e) poor matching to subsequent temperatures recorded at the site. The WMO evaluation committee concluded the most compelling scenario for the 1922 event was that a new and inexperienced observer, not trained in the use of an unsuitable replacement instrument that could be easily misread, inproperly recorded the observation and was consequently in error by about seven degrees Celsius. Based on these concerns, the WMO CCl World Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes has rejected the 58ºC temperature extreme measured at El Azizia in 1922.

Panel evaluation is published in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.
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On 13 September 1922, a temperature of 58°C (136.4°F) was purportedly recorded at El Azizia (approximately 40 km south-southwest of Tripoli) in what is now modern-day Libya. That temperature record of 58°C has been cited by numerous world-record sources as the highest recorded temperature for the planet. During 2010–11, a World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Commission of Climatology (CCl) special international panel of meteorological experts conducted an in-depth investigation of this record temperature for the WMO World Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes (http://wmo.asu.edu/). This committee identified five major concerns with the 1922 El Azizia temperature extreme record, specifically 1) potentially problematical instrumentation, 2) a probable new and inexperienced observer at the time of observation, 3) unrepresentative microclimate of the observation site, 4) poor correspondence of the extreme to other locations, and 5) poor comparison to subsequent temperature values recorded at the site. Based on these concerns, the WMO World Archive of Weather and Climate Extremes rejected this temperature extreme of 58°C as the highest temperature officially recorded on the planet. The WMO assessment is that the highest recorded surface temperature of 56.7°C (134°F) was measured on 10 July 1913 at Greenland Ranch (Death Valley), California.

Accepted: July 11, 2012
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/...S-D-12-00093.1
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:37 AM
 
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Looking at today and Thur forcasts for Death Valley with highs near 115 F forecasted (and it's only late spring)....I find it strange that in July and August they can never seem to get a tiny bit warmer - only 15 to 18 F to get into the lower 130's F/49 C. The 134 F record was more than 80 years ago!

Is this bad luck(or good luck) or is it just the higher deviations are so rare?

Will we see =130 F/49 C in our lifetimes?





49C is 120F, not 134F. 134F would be more like 57C. Death Valley reaches at least 50C every year, as do many middle eastern Cities.
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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this reading also seems out of place. i mean, since then there hasnt been a single reading above 54C despite a warming world and a denser station net. sure, it can be a freak event, but the probability for that cant be high.
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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sure it will. the question should be will it be in our lifetimes?
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:57 AM
 
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Don't other parts of Death Valley get hotter than Furnace Creek?
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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I think it could. The temperature reached 126 a few days ago, if that heat wave would've happened in mid-late July it might have topped 130.
 
Old 06-12-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Been dismissed, and the official high is the Death Valley reading at Greenland Ranch which HAS been accepted by the WMO


World: Highest Temperature | ASU World Meteorological Organization




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The book Extreme Weather (Burt 2009) says the hottest temp was in Tindouf, Algeria at 135 F.

Next was Death Valley at 134 F.....

and number 3 was 133 F in Gadames, Libya.
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