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Old 07-26-2013, 06:18 AM
 
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This was the image that was "spreading" because media released an image of the North Pole before and after. I was getting texts from family and friends about it so it was spreading out there.



The Huffington Post even said "North Pole Before & After Melting. Now THIS is a wakeup call!"


It has been confirmed the webcam they were looking at was 350 miles south of there.

I doubt this was "just an honest mistake" ... Ironic how there was nothing about Lake Superior being frozen in June but they jump all over this one. #brainwashing
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:31 AM
 
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Context is lost without the "efforts" of the story on it.. So here's one write up. Pretty sure some outlets have deleted this whole story from their database if not by now...then soon. LOL

"
The melting ice caps follow a trend of continually rising temperatures across the globe, and the Northern hemisphere has been particularly affected

The North Pole turns into a lake: Webcam captures melting ice following a spell of warm weather

North Pole Environmental Observatory images show lake forming in Arctic

Temperatures over most of the region were one to three degrees Celsius higher than the year’s average

Some experts claim data is too weak to suggest decrease in ice is permanent

The North Pole may conjure up images of impressive ice sheets and freezing winds, but scenes from a webcam there reveal a different story.

Two weeks of warm weather in the high Arctic have caused an aquamarine lake to begin forming since July 13, according to the North Pole Environmental Observatory’s camera.

The National Snow and Ice Data Centre has reported that temperatures in early July were one to three degrees Celsius higher than the year’s average over most of the Arctic Ocean. "

Thanks to rapidly-melting ice, Santa Claus now has his own swimming pool: The North Pole is currently a lake, Canada.com reports
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:52 AM
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I doubt this was "just an honest mistake"
... Ironic how there was nothing about Lake Superior being frozen in June but they jump all over this one. #brainwashing
I think it was. Lots of news media coverage of science is incompetent, done quickly, without much checking. Mainly because the journalists know little about the subject and don't spend much time on it. The British Daily Mail, which posts lots of poorly done "global warming isn't real" articles repeated the same article:

How the North Pole is turning into a lake: Webcam captures melting ice following a spell of warm weather | Mail Online

Probably because they like page-clicks more than following their own biases. ClimateCentral, a website that believes global warming is a big danger, wrote an article disproving the North Pole claim:

The Lake at the North Pole, How Bad Is It? | Climate Central

Because the writers at that site actually know the subject. I immediately wondered the same thing when I saw the headline, because I know it's impossible to have something stayed fixed at the North Pole. Lesson is: don't get your weather and climate related news from general media sources, get them from more specific and knowledgeable ones. Not much you can do about non-enthusiast friends and family, though. Also, here's an interesting quote from the climatecentral:

The second thing to keep in mind is that melting sea ice at or near the North Pole is actually not a rare event. Observations from the webcams dating back to 2002, and from satellite imagery and nuclear-powered submarines that have explored the ice cover since the Cold War era dating back several decades, show that sea ice around the North Pole has formed melt ponds, and even areas of open water, several times in the past.

The webcam depicting what seems like open water is most likely “just sitting in a big melt pond” that has formed on top of the sea ice cover, Serreze said. This melt pond started forming around July 10, and is likely close to its peak depth and extent. The occurrence of a melt pond at or near the North Pole is “just not that unusual,” Serreze said, and is even less rare at a more southern location such as where the camera is now.


Check out the video made by the webcam (from climatecentral)
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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The issue is far too politicized. As for their intent, well... not going to go there, but these "errors" are far too common.

Concerning melt at the North Pole, as your quoted article mentions, it is not an uncommon occurrence. Even though that photo was wrong.


Nevermind the political mentions, I am sourcing the link just for the photos mainly.

Source for photos:
Source for Photos



Here is the picture currently, the "melt" has abated it seems:




North Pole at various points in history:


1959


1962


1987

So yeah, not uncommon even if it were a true story.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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these "errors" are far too common.
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Yeah, that's the key.. they JUMPED all over the story but meanwhile they'll never jump on the Antarctica Ice huh, which last I checked is part of the globe. It's a game. Not sure whether its because the mass has the belief (brings in the views) or if its truely a brainwashing game.
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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The North Pole has basically been below average in temperatures for the last 100 days




http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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The North Pole has basically been below average in temperatures for the last 100 days


COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut
Shhhh! We're not supposed to know. lol
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Old 07-30-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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And now the Weather Channel gets on it. : smack:

You would think they found out the news that its not the North pole by now. Give me a break!!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

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Old 07-31-2013, 06:45 AM
 
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I always used to think, when I was younger, that the entire north pole ice melted every summer. Guess I was wrong then LOL.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:21 AM
 
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The Huffington Post even said "North Pole Before & After Melting. Now THIS is a wakeup call!"

It has been confirmed the webcam they were looking at was 350 miles south of there.
The webcam is called a "drifting North Pole webcam" for a reason. It starts out at the North Pole but the ice drifting gradually carries it farther away from the pole.

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I doubt this was "just an honest mistake" ... Ironic how there was nothing about Lake Superior being frozen in June but they jump all over this one.
Well, I've seen quite a bit of stupidity on the part of the media; most likely this is stupidity combined with wishful thinking and plain, simple bias. The climate issue has become extremely politicized, which is the price we all pay when people equate science with policy positions. As Nomander pointed out, it is not uncommon for open water to exist in the North Pole region as part of the drifting of the sea ice - wind and water currents break apart sections of ice giving an opening for submarines to surface. It's also common for melt ponds to form on top of the sea ice during the melt season.

If we were talking about wholesale melting of the Pole, that would be a very different story, but that would require a record-low sea ice extent, and sea ice extent this year has improved tremendously.
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