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Old 08-06-2013, 10:44 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Some Humid subtropical climates should changed....

All subtropical climates should be split in half, the ones with somewhat cool winters should be called ''Humid continental'' not ''Humid subtropical''

Mild winter continental climates

Climates that are classified this way should have hot, humid summers and mild winters warmer than 2c but cooler than 14c.
  • NYC
  • Baltimore
  • Washington DC
  • Shanghai
  • Tokyo
  • Akita
  • Busan
  • Milan
  • Sochi
So basically all these cities above are Humid continental climates


Humid subtropical climates with mild winters (14c+) should be classified ''Humid Subtropical'' only.

  • New Orleans
  • Sydney
  • Charleston, SC
  • Orlando
  • Brisbane
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I think the system needs an overhaul.

Comparing Brisbane's coldest month of 10C/21.8C(50F-72F) to NYC's month coldest of -2.8C/3.5C (27F-39F) shows just how absurd the Humid Subtropical definition is.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: USA (dying to live in Canada)
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NYC has tropical summers though, but not rest of the year.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:30 AM
 
Location: St Paul's Bay, Malta
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Indeed, some of the places classed as sub-tropical are just absurd!
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: In transition
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places like Eureka,CA and Hobart are more subtropical than NYC in my opinion.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: New York
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I think the system needs an overhaul.

Comparing Brisbane's coldest month of 10C/21.8C(50F-72F) to NYC's month coldest of -2.8C/3.5C (27F-39F) shows just how absurd the Humid Subtropical definition is.
Brisbane is almost tropical, hardly the archetype of Cfa. I don't understand this comparison.

All climate classifications are broad, but I'm not against dividing some of them, the divisions need to make sense though, basing them off of feelings and opinions is ridiculous.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Brisbane is almost tropical, hardly the archetype of Cfa. I don't understand this comparison.

All climate classifications are broad, but I'm not against dividing some of them, the divisions need to make sense though, basing them off of feelings and opinions is ridiculous.
Agreed. I think Koppen was basing his system on feelings and opinions. Whether or not Brisbane and DC are at opposite ends of the the spectrum, he's saying they have the same basic climate, yet the differences between the two are greater than just temperatures alone - ultimately, Koppen is saying that it's the winters that make Brisbane and DC the same, not the summers. That is the bottom line.

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Old 08-06-2013, 01:55 PM
 
Location: New York
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Agreed. I think Koppen was basing his system on feelings and opinions.
And that's how you feel, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.


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Whether or not Brisbane and DC are at opposite ends of the the spectrum, he's saying they have the same basic climate, but the differences between the two are greater than just temperatures alone.
But wouldn't the same be true for all climate classifications? I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm not against splitting climates in half, but I don't get why Cfa is always singled out. I wouldn't say climates at the opposite ends of the same spectrum have the same basic climate type, and if that's what Köppen's saying, I disagree.

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Old 08-06-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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And that's how you feel, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.




But wouldn't the same be true for all climate classifications? I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm not against splitting climates in half, but I don't get why Cfa is always singled out. I wouldn't say climates at the opposite ends of the same spectrum have the same basic climate type, and if that's what Köppen's saying, I disagree.
I think that's the point of climate classification - to identify basic climate types.

Cfa is of interest to me, because it includes the term subtropical. To me, "subtropicalness" is best defined by which natural environments (flora, fauna ) reflect the changes between tropical and temperate zones.

By concentrating on summer temperatures alone, somewhere like NYC can be elavated in such a way, that it doesn't truly represent a progression of climates, from warmer to cooler.
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Location: NYC
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Reasonable division to me.
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