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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-26-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Cities with Subtropical Climates in my opinion:
Europe:Lisbon, Madrid, Nice, Malta, Valencia, Rome, Athens, Sicily
You have presented a list of southern European cities with mediterranean climate, which is not a subtropical climate, but warm temperate.
Even the northern coastline Morocco, Algeria ot Tunisia have also warm temperate mediterranean kinda climate.

Maybe the northern coast of Libya, Egypt and southern coastline or Morocco (anywhere south to Casablanca), are the northernmost places in Africa with true Mediterranean subtropical climate.

 
Old 12-26-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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You have presented a list of southern European cities with mediterranean climate, which is not a subtropical climate, but warm temperate.
Even the northern coastline Morocco, Algeria ot Tunisia have also warm temperate mediterranean kinda climate.

Maybe the northern coast of Libya, Egypt and southern coastline or Morocco (anywhere south to Casablanca), are the northernmost places in Africa with true Mediterranean subtropical climate.
I thought Mediterranean climates were under the subtropical classification. Are they not?
 
Old 12-26-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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10-17.9C in the coldest month would perhaps be the most sensible definition, since no colder than 18C for the coldest month is the cut-off line for tropical climates.

here is an example of a few locations that would be in the low-end of the subtropical definition
Nicosia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palermo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

canary islands would be in the high-end of the subtropical definition

Canary Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this would also cut down the american subtropical region enormously, since many of their so called subtropical climates can have snow-winters, which would be extremly rare and in most cases non-existent with this definition.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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10-17.9C in the coldest month would perhaps be the most sensible definition, since no colder than 18C for the coldest month is the cut-off line for tropical climates.

here is an example of a few locations that would be in the low-end of the subtropical definition
Nicosia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palermo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Seville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

canary islands would be in the high-end of the subtropical definition

Canary Islands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this would also cut down the american subtropical region enormously, since many of their so called subtropical climates can have snow-winters, which would be extremly rare and in most cases non-existent with this definition.
Yeah, in North America, what I consider true subtropical climates only exist on the immediate Gulf Coast plain up to the South Atlantic. This includes cities like Brownsville, Houston, New Orleans, Biloxi, Pensacola, Tampa, Daytonna Beach, Jacksonville, Savannah, Chaleston. Myrtle Beach is the northernmost limit in may book.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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I thought Mediterranean climates were under the subtropical classification. Are they not?
It depends. Mediterranean climates from California or southern coastline of Morocco are true mediterranean subtropical.
Some places in far south of Europe or far north coastline of Africa, like Seville, Palermo or Algiers are located near to the subtropical edge but still they are mediterranean temperate.

Mediterranean coastline climates from Barcelona, Marseille or Genoa are true mediterranean temperate.

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Old 12-26-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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A lot of people don't know this, but even on Antarctica, there is a subtropical climate located on the peninsula; around the Weddell Sea.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Miami has and average LOW of 70 F this November and December. How on earth is it not tropical? I know it gets cold snaps but it isn't enough of those events to tip its averages down. It still gets around 65-70 F low on average I think average events should determine climate, and not record events
A true tropical place would NEVER get under 50F at sea level, especially as often as South FL has. Plus, a true tropical place would never get to 27F AT SEA LEVEL and get snow flurries. I say it's semi-tropical. Warmer than a subtropical place, but not truly tropical.
 
Old 12-26-2013, 05:45 PM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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You've basically listed cities from each continent that you've seen on a map. Why the hell is Cairo on your crazy list!?

At least put some thought into it.
Cairo is in the subtropical latitudes, and is a subtropical, or hot desert climate
 
Old 12-27-2013, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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I find it difficult to believe that mediterranean climates from southern Europe are also subtropical when, at the same time, we are frequently trashed by Jet Stream, which bringing us rainy weather in late autumn and early winter.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Mediterranean climates are under the subtropical category.
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