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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-09-2016, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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This is what happens to grass without any shade, it was probably taken in Sep because you can see some fresh new growth within the dead grass. https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2742...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2987...7i13312!8i6656

 
Old 02-09-2016, 01:24 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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This is what happens to grass without any shade, it was probably taken in Sep because you can see some fresh new growth within the dead grass. https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2742...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@47.2987...7i13312!8i6656
That happens in London in summer too, and we do not have a Mediterranean climate.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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What area? Certainly not South Carolina.
New york. Forecast moderated for Thursdays blast a lot only 2 days below 40 and 0 days at 32 and below. Coldest night is Saturday low is 16. This is for Raleigh btw. And according to local forecasts.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Yep the grass often goes brown/yellow in the southern parts of the UK in dry spells during the summer...

These pics are from Portsmouth:


 
Old 02-09-2016, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Yep the grass often goes brown/yellow in the southern parts of the UK in dry spells during the summer...

These pics are from Portsmouth:

well than I stand corrected, but Portsmouth does seem to have a slight dry season, its more like in transition between Csb and Cfb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth#Climate

but how offten do you have to water your gardens? Here in seattle you have to water every day, and many times twice a day, once in the morning and then again in the evening, if you want your plants to look healthy and harvest edible produce. once a day won't cut it for things like cucumbers and lettuce, they just end up tasting bitter and revolting.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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Well depends what you are growing I guess, but I used to water my garden every day during the summer...
 
Old 02-09-2016, 05:17 PM
 
Location: NYC
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To be subtropical summers must be the most dominate season or thereabouts.

Same as above really, Hot to warm summers and mild to slightly chilly winters. Snow and frost should be exceptionally rare. Precipitation pattern shouldn't matter.

Examples

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa,_Florida#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seville#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta#Climate

I was going to add Birmingham, Alabama and Charleston, South Carolina but winters especially the lows are too cold to be called Subtropical.
Thats absurd! How could they not be subtropical when lows aren't even below freezing.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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100mm a month won't stop a place looking brown in summer.

Had over 200mm for January, and I thought it was looking green, until a few days ago when a visitor from Sweden remarked that it was looking very dry.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Central New Jersey & British Columbia
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Yeah, having grass turn brown is probably not the best metric of a mediterranean climate. I still think plant species and ecosystems (outside the urban setting) are the best metric, along with climate stats.

I don't think the PNW is a true med. climate anyway. It's a hybrid. It would be oceanic, if not for rain shadows caused by the mountains. Another important factor is that the PNW does not have a warm current off its coast, as Northwest Europe does - the Gulf Stream brings warm water to NW Europe and kills any chance of a dry summer climate developing north of the Mediterranean Sea.
 
Old 02-09-2016, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Yep the grass often goes brown/yellow in the southern parts of the UK in dry spells during the summer...

These pics are from Portsmouth:



I wonder if that is the very fine fescue grasses. They burn up very quickly without tons of water. We could never have those over here in summer. If they used warm season grasses in the UK it would stay more green in summer. Not sure why they don't use those, since the winter is not very cold there and it might stay green in winter as well.


Over here in my area the grass of choice seems to be a mix of rye, bluegrass, and maybe some kinds of fescue. When I was in England I noticed the blades of grass seem very fine compared to the grass here.
I did see very fine grass down South here in winter (probably overseeded), and it was lush green both this year I saw it in Georgia and last February in Mobile, AL.




I took these pics Sunday in Cape May, NJ (near the ocean). This would be the dominant grass around our whole region. Not many people use the warm season grass (especially at the shore) because it turns brown right after the first frost. This grass mostly stays green and can get more brown mixed in depending on how cold the weather gets. As soon as normal winter temps return it greens back up. It is pretty cold tolerant. Stays mostly green in summer as well. Maybe they should use more rye grass in the UK.














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