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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-10-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: NYC
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And using the same source (NWS) for individual locations I got these results:

Atlanta (KATL).........Nov 17
New York (KJFK)......Nov 17
New York (KLGA).....Nov 26
Houston (KIAH).......Dec 03

NOAA's National Weather Service - National Climate
Very interesting to know that the growing season in NYC is not only longer than Atlanta but closer to Houston's.

 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:14 PM
 
Location: New York
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Growing season by itself, means little,

Only around 180 days a year between last and first frost, but still a greet climate for a wide range of plants.
Agreed. But someone suggested the growing season (or freeze free period) in NYC was only 170 days, which was highly incorrect.

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True, what matters more is the number/intensity of the freezes that do occur. Place A can get frost before Place B, but that could be the only frost of the season for Place A, while Place B continues to get very deep freezes.

Furthermore, frost can happen, but if the soil temps are warm enough, then plants can still grow, even within the freeze window. In fact, in terms of soil temps, many areas of the Southeastern US have a year-round growing season.
I agree. Even here, some plants (like kale) do grow in the winter, provided the ground isn't frozen, and if it freezes it doesn't stay frozen.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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True, what matters more is the number/intensity of the freezes that do occur. Place A can get frost before Place B, but that could be the only frost of the season for Place A, while Place B continues to get very deep freezes.

Furthermore, frost can happen, but if the soil temps are warm enough, then plants can still grow, even within the freeze window. In fact, in terms of soil temps, many areas of the Southeastern US have a year-round growing season.
There's generally a light ground frost in late February/early March here, even though soil temps are at their highest.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Agreed. But someone suggested the growing season (or freeze free period) in NYC was only 170 days, which was highly incorrect.


I agree. Even here, some plants (like kale) do grow in the winter, provided the ground isn't frozen, and if it freezes it doesn't stay frozen.
That;s closer to the frost free season here.

For growing season in this area an average >10C is generally used, as that's when most of the pastoral grasses, really start to move-so around 290 days.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:20 PM
 
Location: New York
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Very interesting to know that the growing season in NYC is not only longer than Atlanta but closer to Houston's.
NYC's growing season is roughly the same length Atlanta's, it ends later but it also begins later. Houston's growing season begins in February, a whole month earlier than Atlanta or NYC.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:31 PM
 
Location: New York
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That;s closer to the frost free season here.

For growing season in this area an average >10C is generally used, as that's when most of the pastoral grasses, really start to move-so around 290 days.
Your definition makes more sense. My tomatoes lived until January, but they didn't really grow much after October. I understand the 0C/32F threshold for cold sensitive crops, but what good are they if they don't produce?
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: In transition
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I agree that growing season means little. Vancouver and Atlanta have a similar frost free period but a wide range of crops grow much better in Atlanta than here.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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http://www.forestpests.org/pdf/A%20F...%20Forests.pdf Wow!!!! so many invasive plants in southern forests, many are evergreen. Bamboo is invasive here I can tell you that for sure! its everywhere and they grow in very dense clumps and grow pretty tall. I will take some pics of the large bamboo clump growing near my house. Also there is an apparently hardy orange that is invasive in most of the south including here, never seen it yet though.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Your definition makes more sense. My tomatoes lived until January, but they didn't really grow much after October. I understand the 0C/32F threshold for cold sensitive crops, but whatgood are they if they don't produce?
Reminds of some friends in Clyde (down south), who lost their tomatoes in February, but there planted new plants that cropped through to April.

That's the true definition of an Indian Summer.
 
Old 02-10-2016, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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??? over a thousand miles from the nearest (barely) tropical climate is close to you??? its certainly not geographically close...








also is there an evergreen sweetgum? and isn't Bald Cypress deciduous?


I saw Bald Cyrpess around Mobile, AL in Feb. Dead as a doornail in winter. Same for sweetgum. This poster obviously doesn't really know about these trees if they didn't know that.
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