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170 days? More like 240+ days. NYC's growing season length is on par with most Cfa cities in the mid-South. It's average first freeze date is actually later than Atlanta's, and not too far off (a week) from Houston's.
Can you say "Urban Heat Island"? NYC is bizarrely warm in Central Park and elsewhere because 8M people are jammed into that tiny area. That region of the US outside of UHI's does not have 240 plus days. Not even close.
170 days? More like 240+ days. NYC's growing season length is on par with most Cfa cities in the mid-South. It's average first freeze date is actually later than Atlanta's, and not too far off (a week) from Houston's.
You say 4 months is a small chunk, hardly a defining feature of the climate, yet 2-3 months of winter is enough to define a climate in its entirety?
Btw, I don't look at anyone's opinion as "wrong", subtropical means something different to everyone.
It is not just winter. Look at how cold November can be in the unstable climates of eastern North America. Look at how bizarrely cold March can be in this same region. March 2015 ring a bell?
We can have pure winter weather from November straight thru till the end of March with the completely unstable nature of this region outside of the three to four stable summer months. Sometimes even May can be very cool and rainy and October get frost and snow.
Even the deep southern cities can have frost in October. I think all eastern US subtropical climate cities should have an asterisk next to their name. And then the asterisk should indicate something like "this climate is subject to wild fluctuations in winter temperatures and negative winter daily temp anomalies of up to 35F degrees."
The first freeze typically occurs in mid November in Atlanta, late November in NYC, & early December in Houston.
Oh come on you can't even compare the UHI of NYC with Atlanta. NYC is a fake climate totally due to UHI. The climate of that location without NYC would not have those winter avg temps or growing season.
Nope. NYC growing season is 235 days also Philly's is like 215 because of colder low temps than NYC. Last year the growing season was probably longer than 250 days.
NYC total UHI causing the delay in 32F temps in Fall and Spring. The growing season outside of both cities is shorter than that and you know it.
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Both are broadleaf evergreen and are native to the same climate (humid subtropical) from NYC to central Florida.
Try again. It ain't evergreen no matter how you spin it. If it isn't evergreen on the Gulf Coast of AL it ain't evergreen in the South.
Can you say "Urban Heat Island"? NYC is bizarrely warm in Central Park and elsewhere because 8M people are jammed into that tiny area. That region of the US outside of UHI's does not have 240 plus days. Not even close.
NYC normally isn't bizarrely warm, aside from its "wtf?" moments where it's 10+ degrees warmer than surrounding areas. And the region outside of NYC is much closer to 240 days than 170. Maybe 210-220-ish.
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It is not just winter. Look at how cold November can be in the unstable climates of eastern North America. Look at how bizarrely cold March can be in this same region. March 2015 ring a bell?
We can have pure winter weather from November straight thru till the end of March with the completely unstable nature of this region outside of the three to four stable summer months. Sometimes even May can be very cool and rainy and October get frost and snow.
Such a scenario is highly unlikely, due to our variability. I can't recall having five straight months of winter weather, I'd leave and never come back lol. March can be wintry, but it can be warm as well, same with November. Generally speaking we get a solid 2-3 months of winter.
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Even the deep southern cities can have frost in October. I think all eastern US subtropical climate cities should have an asterisk next to their name. And then the asterisk should indicate something like "this climate is subject to wild fluctuations in winter temperatures and negative winter daily temp anomalies of up to 35F degrees."
That's unnecessary lol. I'll take the winter variability for summer stability though, even though we end up with hardiness zones lower than they should be for our locations, that part kills me. I couldn't deal with a variable summer, 70F one day and then 110F the next, could you imagine? Just give me 80's and 90's.
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Oh come on you can't even compare the UHI of NYC with Atlanta. NYC is a fake climate totally due to UHI. The climate of that location without NYC would not have those winter avg temps or growing season.
Why can't two urban areas be compared? I know NYC is more urban, but the climate isn't fake, it exists. Growing season length is about as influenced by the UHI as it is by NYC's coastal location. Average temps aren't spectacular to begin with and wouldn't be much different without the UHI. Montauk, on the opposite end of Long Island, has similar winter averages and the same hardiness zone as NYC. NYC is hotter in the summer though, for obvious reasons.
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