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From my own way of seeing climate, I view it as "Northern" on account of it's uneven sunshine distribution.
I don't get why sunshine distribution, isn't considered a major part of classification.
What would your threshold be for sunshine in the gloomiest month to escape the classification as northern? And what about cities like Chongqing which are both southern and clearly subtropical?
What would your threshold be for sunshine in the gloomiest month to escape the classification as northern? And what about cities like Chongqing which are both southern and clearly subtropical?
Around 40%, so the gloomiest NZ places like Invercargill would be borderline - although it doesn't have uneven distribution.
I see it as only applying to mild winter/cool summer climates, and makes climates on either side of the divide, fundamentally different from each other.
Around 40%, so the gloomiest NZ places like Invercargill would be borderline - although it doesn't have uneven distribution.
I see it as only applying to mild winter/cool summer climates, and makes climates on either side of the divide, fundamentally different from each other.
What about somewhere like Puerto Montt in Chile vs. Your climate which is at roughly the same latitude yet Puerto Montt would be more "northern" because it's much gloomier in winter than where you are?
What about somewhere like Puerto Montt in Chile vs. Your climate which is at roughly the same latitude yet Puerto Montt would be more "northern" because it's much gloomier in winter than where you are?
Puerto Montt is definitely Northern, as it's combination of sun and temperature makes it fall short of the Oceanic ideal. I think of Oceanic climates as being easy living climates, that encourage an outdoor lifestyle.
Around 40%, so the gloomiest NZ places like Invercargill would be borderline - although it doesn't have uneven distribution.
I see it as only applying to mild winter/cool summer climates, and makes climates on either side of the divide, fundamentally different from each other.
Invercargill's June LTA is only a little above 30%, even with inflation of values in the last 2 decades. Will post the individual monthly % values later.
Puerto Montt is definitely Northern, as it's combination of sun and temperature makes it fall short of the Oceanic ideal. I think of Oceanic climates as being easy living climates, that encourage an outdoor lifestyle.
So you wouldn't consider a place with sunny, but very cold and snowy winters like Winnipeg as having a northern climate?
Invercargill's June LTA is only a little above 30%, even with inflation of values in the last 2 decades. Will post the individual monthly % values later.
I was thinking of Invercargill qualifying on annual total alone, but it's seasonal trend is even worse than I thought.
So you wouldn't consider a place with sunny, but very cold and snowy winters like Winnipeg as having a northern climate?
Northern winter climates are either cloudy and cool/cold, or cold, even if sunny. They all seem like winter climates that are heavy, for lack of a better word.
From my own way of seeing climate, I view it as "Northern" on account of it's uneven sunshine distribution.
I don't get why sunshine distribution, isn't considered a major part of classification.
Most oceanic climates would be northern then. New Zealand would be one of the few area that wouldn't.
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Puerto Montt is definitely Northern, as it's combination of sun and temperature makes it fall short of the Oceanic ideal. I think of Oceanic climates as being easy living climates, that encourage an outdoor lifestyle.
I think of oceanic climates (no, not all) as generally gloomy winter climates. I never heard of an "Oceanic ideal" before.
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