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Old 10-30-2013, 07:00 AM
 
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I Figure we can use this thread to update the water temps and ice around any Lake of the world. Might as well mention the Oceans and Seas while we're at it too I guess.

Here is a nice write up from NWS Cleveland on the Great Lakes Ice Report going forward.

Graph I made shows Cleveland & Buffalo Harbor showing water temps are warmest since 2005 at this point in time.

I'll post the whole discussion since it was interesting and in case we lose the link in the future.

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/fz/fzus81.kcle.ice.fbo.txt



NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CLEVELAND OH
653 AM EST WED OCT 30 2013

ICE SEASON MAY TREND TOWARD LIGHTER THAN NORMAL FOR THE 2013-2014
ICE SEASON.

EL NINO AND LA NINA ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN QUIET THROUGH SPRING OF
2014. THIS PLACES THE EL NINO SOUTHERN OSCILLATION IN A NEUTRAL
PHASE...WHICH IS THE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE TWO PHENOMENON. WATER
TEMPERATURES IN THE SOUTHEASTERN PACIFIC ARE EXPECTED TO RISE AS
SPRING APPROACHES. THE LONG RANGE FORECAST FOR TEMPERATURES ACROSS
THE GREAT LAKES FOR NOVEMBER...DECEMBER AND JANUARY CALL FOR ABOVE
NORMAL.

DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER...THE NORTH ATLANTIC OSCILLATION (NAO)
HAS BEEN DEEP IN THE NEGATIVE PHASE. THIS IS A PATTERN IN WHICH
ARCTIC AIR MASSES ARE ALLOWED TO PENETRATE SOUTH INTO THE EASTERN
HALF OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS
INDICATES THE NAO WILL MOVE TO A POSITIVE PHASE. THE ARCTIC
OSCILLATION (AO) WILL ALSO TREND TOWARD A POSITIVE PHASE OVER THE
NEXT TWO WEEKS. SINCE BOTH PHASES ARE EXPECTED TO BE POSITIVE...THIS
WILL IN EFFECT SHUT OFF THE ARCTIC INFLUENCE FOR THE TIME BEING.
THE NAO AND AO ARE DIFFICULT TO FORECAST BECAUSE THEY
MAKE THEIR PRESENCE KNOWN WITHIN ABOUT TWO WEEKS IN THE FUTURE.
A PERSISTENT NEGATIVE NAO THAT LASTS THROUGH THE WINTER WILL RESULT
IN A MUCH COLDER THAN NORMAL WINTER FOR THE GREAT LAKES REGION WHILE
A POSITIVE NAO WILL RESULT IN A MILDER WINTER. IF THE AO TAKES HOLD
WITH THE POSITIVE PHASE BEING DOMINANT...THEN TYPICALLY THE COLDER
AIR IS FORCED WELL EAST OF THE GREAT LAKES. IN A NEGATIVE PHASE
CASE...ARCTIC BLASTS OF COLD AIR ARE FORCED SOUTH ACROSS THE GREAT
LAKES REGION.

SINCE THE FORECAST FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS CALLS FOR ABOVE NORMAL
TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION...THE POTENTIAL EXISTS
FOR A LACK OF SIGNIFICANT ICE COVER EARLY IN THE WINTER SEASON.
THIS CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE GREAT LAKES SINCE THE ICE HELPS TO KEEP
MOISTURE FROM EVAPORATING OUT OF THE LAKES DURING THE WINTER MONTHS
AND AIDS IN KEEPING WATER LEVELS UP SLIGHTLY. THE LACK OF ICE DOES
HELP IN THE FORMATION OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW AND THE BUILDUP OF THE
SNOW PACK TO THE LEE OF THE LAKES. THE SNOW PACK IN TURN AIDS IN
ELEVATING LAKE LEVELS IN THE SPRING FROM RUNOFF INTO THE LAKES.
THE GREAT LAKES WATER TEMPERATURES WERE RUNNING RELATIVELY WARM
BEFORE THE MONTH OF OCTOBER ARRIVED. THE COLD AIR OUTBREAKS AND
BRIEF STORMS THAT RACED EAST ACROSS THE LAKES IN OCTOBER CAUSED
WATER TEMPERATURES TO DROP BACK TO NEAR OR SLIGHTLY WARMER THAN
NORMAL READINGS AS OF THIS DATE. SINCE THE STORMS HAVE HAD SHORT
RESIDENCE TIME OVER THE GREAT LAKES...THEIR INFLUENCE IN AGITATING
THE WATER AND ACCELERATING THE HEAT FLUX HAS BEEN LIMITED.

SINCE THE NAO HAS BEEN NEGATIVE OVER THE LAST MONTH...THE GREAT
LAKES EXPERIENCED MUCH WEAKER STORM SYSTEMS MOVING WEST TO EAST
ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS IN PERFECT AGREEMENT WITH
CONDITIONS THAT ARE EXPECTED WITH A NEGATIVE NAO. TYPICALLY...DURING
THIS TIME OF YEAR...THE GREAT LAKES ENCOUNTER STORM SYSTEMS THAT
DEVELOP IN THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES AND TRACK NORTHEAST INTO THE
WESTERN GREAT LAKES REGION. THESE STORMS INTENSIFY RAPIDLY AS THEY
MOVE NORTHEAST. THE CURRENT FORECAST FOR THE LAST DAY OF OCTOBER AND
FIRST DAY OF NOVEMBER CALLS FOR A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TO FOLLOW THE
CLIMATOLOGICAL TRACK FOR FALL INTO THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES. THIS IS
INDICATIVE OF THE NAO AND AO BEGINNING TO TREND BACK TOWARD THE
POSITIVE PHASE.

AIR TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE WESTERN GREAT LAKES REGION DURING THE
MONTH OF OCTOBER WERE SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL BUT WERE NEAR NORMAL
OVER THE EASTERN HALF OF THE GREAT LAKES. THE RELATIVELY WEAK STORM
SYSTEMS THAT DID MOVE INTO THE GREAT LAKES REGION TAPPED INTO SOME
OF THE COLDER AIR IN THE NORTH. HOWEVER...THE COLD AIR MASSES THAT
DID MOVE SOUTH INTO THE GREAT LAKES OUT OF CANADA WERE NOT EXTREMELY
COLD RESULTING IN THE NEAR TO SLIGHTLY BELOW NORMAL READINGS.
THE LONG RANGE 7 DAY COMPUTER MODELS INDICATE A FAST MOVING UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH WILL RACE EAST ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES THROUGH FRIDAY
AND BECOME NEGATIVELY TILTED. THIS UPPER LEVEL TROUGH WILL CAUSE A
WEAK LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM TO MOVE NORTHEAST ACROSS THE WESTERN GREAT
LAKES AND DEEPEN RAPIDLY BY FRIDAY. THE LOW WILL EXIT TO THE
NORTHEAST ON SATURDAY ALLOWING SOME COOLER AIR TO MOVE SOUTH ACROSS
THE LAKES INTO THE WEEKEND. ONCE AGAIN...THE AIR MASS IS NOT
EXPECTED TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY COLD. ANOTHER UPPER LEVEL RIDGE WILL
BUILD WEST TO EAST INTO THE AREA BY MONDAY AS THE UPPER LEVEL
PATTERN REMAINS PROGRESSIVE AND ACTIVE. A LARGE AREA OF HIGH
PRESSURE WILL DOMINATE THE ENTIRE GREAT LAKES EARLY NEXT WEEK AND
EVENTUALLY RETURN THE AREA TO A WARMING TREND BY MID WEEK. ANOTHER
STORM SYSTEM WILL DEVELOP OVER OKLAHOMA AND MOVE NORTHEAST INTO THE
CENTRAL GREAT LAKES BY WEDNESDAY. STILL...NO STRONG ARCTIC BLASTS OF
COLD AIR EXPECTED BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK. TEMPERATURES WILL LIKELY
REMAIN NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL DURING THIS PERIOD.

THE 8 TO 14 DAY OUTLOOK FOR THE GREAT LAKES REGION CALLS FOR ABOVE
NORMAL TEMPERATURES AND ABOVE NORMAL PRECIPITATION.
ALL INDICATIONS ARE POINTING TOWARD FREEZE UP DATES THAT ARE LATER
THAN NORMAL ACROSS THE ENTIRE GREAT LAKES KEY WATERWAYS.
KEEP IN MIND THAT ICE COULD DEVELOP EARLIER OR LATER SINCE ICE
DEVELOPMENT IS HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON THE OCCURRENCE OF COLD AIR
OUTBREAKS AND WARM PERIODS ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES DURING THE NEXT
TWO MONTHS.

ICE FORMATION IS DETERMINED BY TWO FACTORS--THE AMOUNT OF HEAT
STORED IN THE WATER FROM THE SUMMER AND HOW FAST THAT HEAT CAN BE
REMOVED BY ARCTIC OUTBREAKS OF POLAR AIR AND HIGH WINDS. LONG RANGE
OUTLOOKS DO NOT CONSIDER THE "STORMINESS" FACTOR WHICH CAN
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE LAKES THERMAL STRUCTURE OVER SHORT PERIODS
OF TIME.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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Current Water Temps and Anomalies

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Old 12-01-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Hudson bay Ice Update..

This is just incredible to see. Still out pacing previous years and more than double some of them. Does anyone know how to go back more than what's shown here??

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/N...son_Bay_ts.png

http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims/i...ursnow_usa.gif

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Old 12-01-2013, 04:04 PM
 
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Interesting. 2013 has more Ice on Hudson Bay at end of November since 1998.

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Old 12-13-2013, 05:43 PM
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52°F in the Pacific coast of San Francisco. Dew point dropped to 14°F earlier this week in San Francisco!
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Old 12-15-2013, 06:19 AM
 
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Ice starting to form in the Northernmost Baltic:

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Old 06-13-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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Forgot about this thread.

Here's a post from NWS NY..

"Warmer water temps today compared to last year on June 7th! Still chilly though."

twitter.com/NWSNewYorkNY/status/475323416867012608

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Nice. A bit too cold to be swimming, Long Island waters take forever to warm up.

Is Lake Superior ice-free by now? How's Hudson Bay?
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Old 06-13-2014, 06:50 AM
 
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Is Lake Superior ice-free by now? How's Hudson Bay?
Posted here. Northern Hem Snow - Great Lakes Ice
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:23 PM
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Here's Hudson Bay along with the rest of Arctic Canada:



from

ASI 2014 update 3: here comes the Sun (again) - Arctic Sea Ice
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