Battle of the climates: London vs. New Orleans (averages, humidity, America)
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Just to name a few:
Miyazaki(Kyushu Island in Japan)
Tokyo
Shanghai
Baghdad
Chonquing
Kochi
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Osaka
Nagoya
Busan
Kirkuk
These are just some of many cities at a similar latitude to both Savannah, and Bern with around the same winter temps. But where Savannah wins out in is the fact that it can have day upon day of 70F weather in the dead of winter, where as many of the other cities listed, especially those in East Asia, struggle to get out of the 40s and 50s. So who in their right mind would say that the Southeast US is cold for its latitude? That is total BS, especially as it supports a perfect tropical climate outside of the tropics. Record lows occur during cold phases, which all subtropical locations get; during the cold phase in Europe (Little Ice Age), there were times when even Lisbon, Portugal experienced blizzards.
The Chongqing city proper's average January low is at least 6C, and a freeze there is much, much rarer than at similar latitudes in Florida (it's Hardiness Zone 10B, too).
The Chongqing city proper's average January low is at least 6C, and a freeze there is much, much rarer than at similar latitudes in Florida (it's Hardiness Zone 10B, too).
All those places are in East Asia, which i already mentioned is colder and more stable than the S.E., and everyone knows East Asia has incredibly cold winters for its latitude
No, the winters in the Coastal Southeast are not that cold relative to the latitude; on the contrary, they are close to being just right, in fact, almost warm for their latitude. The Southeast always experiences tropical winter days in any given year, where low temps are above 60F, low temps warmer than many other subtropical regions. The handful of events hyped up by the media does not take away from the overall warmth of the US South during winter. And such events may no occur again for decades.
No matter how you try to spin it, the US Southeast is so warm that it contains a tropical climate outside the tropical lines of latitude, in the form of South Florida.
This winter in Alexandria, LA has not felt very subtropical. There hasn't been a low above 49 F since December 21 and the average low this past January was 29 F. But this coming week, most days are forecast to have lows in the 50's with one low above 60.
Yes, this winter has been exceptionally cold. Most winters we do have a couple of days with lows above 60 F, but it is much more common to have days with lows at freezing or below.
This winter in Alexandria, LA has not felt very subtropical. There hasn't been a low above 49 F since December 21 and the average low this past January was 29 F. But this coming week, most days are forecast to have lows in the 50's with one low above 60.
Yes, this winter has been exceptionally cold. Most winters we do have a couple of days with lows above 60 F, but it is much more common to have days with lows at freezing or below.
Alexandria is a bit far inland though; the portion of the Southeast that I am referring to when I call the region "very subtropical" is the Coastal/Lower Portion; this includes cities like Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, Savannah, Myrtle Beach, etc.
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Originally Posted by alex985
All those places are in East Asia, which i already mentioned is colder and more stable than the S.E., and everyone knows East Asia has incredibly cold winters for its latitude
Baghdad and Kirkuk are not; they are in the Middle East.
The Coastal South is where there is little, if any, sign of seasons (in some years, cold can occur, but it hardly defines the overall climate as such cold is gone within a day), and exhibit warm subtropical winters. Although freezes can occur in the area during mornings, the temps quickly rise to pleasant levels during the afternoon, due to the powerful subtropical sun. This includes cities like Houston, New Orleans, Tampa, etc. Inland areas of the South below a certain latitude also have lack of seasons with warm subtropical winters. This is seen in Texas cities like Austin, San Antonio, and Laredo, as well as Orlando in Florida.
I go to visit my family in Daytona Beach for ONE WEEK out of the entire winter, and the last two years in a row there has been a day that failed to get out of the 40s. If you call that "pleasant levels" there's really no sense continuing this discussion...
The US South winters are not all that erratic. There are be plenty of days in a row where the temps stay in the average range; really just the one extreme few days, then back to being warm.
The arctic cold was extremely powerful and extensive this year; most of the locales that recorded ice-days, and winter weather this year might never do so again in a long time.
The coastal areas of the South have a nigh 365 day growing season; in other-words, just short of the mark. Many areas have a growing season of at least 300 days, or higher, which is sufficient for a proper subtropical climate. A 9b climate zone is the still within the range of many tender subtropicals (Mangoes, Jacaranda Trees, Brazillian pepper, etc)
The only subtropical areas that trump the US Southeast are the subtropics of Africa, South America, and Australia, which is obviously the case, given that those continents don't extend all the way to the arctic. The subtropics of Europe and Asia are too cool compared to those of the Southeast; at least the Southeast has many days a year with highs in the 70s, even 80s, in the middle of winter. You never have that in subtropical Asia or Europe. The US Southeast subtropics is basically the same as Australia, except a little bit colder because of the larger continent.
Lots of subtropical/tropical plants can grow in the Southeast, "roller coaster" temps and all. Commercial wine/grape industry occur in the Texas Hill Country around Austin, Avacados are grown around San Antonio, South Texas grows melons, guavas, cantaloupe, etc, the region from Houston to New Orleans has a sugar cane empire, the citrus industry is coming to Pensacola, and peaches grow in Georgia and South Carolina. Remember, back in colonial times, the US South was a rich agricultural empire, with a plantation economy made up of cash crops like indigo, tobacco, rice, sugar cane, and cotton, all subtropical/tropical plants that could grow due to the warm climate, even into areas well inland. If the South was really cold as you say, then none of that would have happened.
Any area of the South with Spanish Moss is a true subtropical climate; most Spanish Moss can only take temps down to 22F, the absolute hardiest take temps down to only the upper teens. The huge surreal swamp ecosystem of the South wouldn't be able to thrive if cold was as common as you make it seem.
It seems like you are getting fooled by the media hype; the US South is warm and well, and any cold comes for a day at most before it is given the boot, even in the coldest of winters. In fact, the US Southeast is so warm, it has a tropical climate outside the tropics, where even places well inside the tropics in China are only subtropical.
I think you just make stuff up. New Orleans, Mobile, and Pensacola all average .2 ice days per year. In other words on average about 1 ice day every five year. That is not a "long time" . Zone 9b only exists deep down into Florida and Texas and maybe a sliver of Louisiana.
Spanish moss exists in Norfolk, VA, and trust me they go well below 22F every winter.
The agricultural empire of the US South, with cash crops like cotton, rice, tobacco, indigo, sugar cane, peaches, pears, strawberries, citrus, etc extended well inland from the Gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic, and lasted for many decades. Many subtropical plants like bananas, citrus, peaches, etc can still be grown to a great effect in the South if the region really wanted to; the only reason huge commercial subtropical agriculture industries don't exist in the South today is because the region adopted the technologically advanced Northern industrial-age economy during Reconstruction, making the subtropical plantations unnecessary.
Completely false. They cannot grow bananas commercially throughout the South. It gets too cold every winter. And they cannot grow citrus as far north as China can. Zone 9 extends further north in inland China than it does in N America. Fact. Commercial citrus is only grown in far S. Texas, the extreme tip of Louisiana, and in Central to S. Florida. Look it up.
No, the winters in the Coastal Southeast are not that cold relative to the latitude; on the contrary, they are close to being just right, in fact, almost warm for their latitude. The Southeast always experiences tropical winter days in any given year, where low temps are above 60F, low temps warmer than many other subtropical regions. The handful of events hyped up by the media does not take away from the overall warmth of the US South during winter. And such events may no occur again for decades.
No matter how you try to spin it, the US Southeast is so warm that it contains a tropical climate outside the tropical lines of latitude, in the form of South Florida.
No, that statement above is false. They occur more frequently than "decades". How many decades? If every five years Mobile has an ice day, along with Savannah, etc., how can you consider that warm for its latitude?
I go to visit my family in Daytona Beach for ONE WEEK out of the entire winter, and the last two years in a row there has been a day that failed to get out of the 40s. If you call that "pleasant levels" there's really no sense continuing this discussion...
I don't think he has every looked at actual climate data, and just posts what he wants to believe.
You will see palm trees everywhere you turn in Barcelona, and many diff kinds, yet in even places like right on the US Gulf Coast you are hard pressed to see any except those extremely hardy sabal palmettos.
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