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Old 07-12-2016, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Calgary has also cooler summers than London.

 
Old 07-12-2016, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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The thing is the UK has 65 million people while those places barely have any population.
That's because the UK's climate, for all its faults (gloomy etc), poses no threat to human life - most of the time. It's a pretty good climate for people to live in, when looking at things from a survival POV. England in the 1300s had a bigger population than Finland today.

Things in the Middle Ages only became problematic when the UK had cold winters and that damaged crops, resulting in famine etc. Otherwise, life was fairly good.. for the standards of the day.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Calgary has also cooler summers than London.
I said excluding London. Obviously London has the warmest weather in the UK.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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That's because the UK's climate, for all its faults (gloomy etc), poses no threat to human life - most of the time. It's a pretty good climate for people to live in, when looking at things from a survival POV. England in the 1300s had a bigger population than Finland today.

Things in the Middle Ages only became problematic when the UK had cold winters and that damaged crops, resulting in famine etc. Otherwise, life was fairly good.. for the standards of the day.
Cold winters didn't do anything to crops, the cold summers did. nothing really grows in winter anyways so colder winters don't matter, colder springs and summers and falls do. the UK is temperate and avoids the bitingly cold artic winters that most places at the latitude get so makes a lot of sense as to why its population is so high even back in history. From a survival standpoint England is much better than Calgary or Winnipeg.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I said excluding London. Obviously London has the warmest weather in the UK.
I think the UK should still be viewed as a high latitude climate that allows good summer crop production and year round pastoral farming - important features before the modern era.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Cold winters didn't do anything to crops, the cold summers did. nothing really grows in winter anyways so colder winters don't matter, colder springs and summers and falls do. the UK is temperate and avoids the bitingly cold artic winters that most places at the latitude get so makes a lot of sense as to why its population is so high even back in history. From a survival standpoint England is much better than Calgary or Winnipeg.
No, the cold winters made a big difference to crop production in the middle ages. Sodden ground in summer was a bigger concern than cool temperatures.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: York
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Holy big balls. Weather online is forecasting 30C in London on the 18th. Crazy!
The forecasts are looking better and better. B87 might want to screenshot that bad boy.

Finally!
 
Old 07-12-2016, 02:06 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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If it stays like that for the rest of July, all of August and the first third of September, then summer 2016 will be redeemed slightly.

Forecast looks amazing, yet it's only close to normal. I bet it gets downgraded though; give it a while and Chicagogeorge will be here to post all of the coldest model runs he can find.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Holy big balls. Weather online is forecasting 30C in London on the 18th. Crazy!
The forecasts are looking better and better. B87 might want to screenshot that bad boy.

Finally!
Yeah, only 25C here though. For a proper heatwave, we need high pressure over all of the UK, instead of these useless fleeting plumes that give 1 hot day to London and Essex.

That being said, a pleasant forecast, low-mid 20s. Hopefully it stays like that.
 
Old 07-12-2016, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Maybe compared with Atlantic or Maritime Canada, but the Canadian Prairies at 50N have much warmer summers.

And don't worry Tom, if we get a cold winter this year, I'll be hounding you.

Oh I know you will be your relentless self, but since I'm going to Palm Springs with some friends I hope I'm there when the worst of winter hits Philly. Unfortunately I can't be there for three straight months.

I just hope I get to pay you back in springtime. My ideal would be Philly has March and April well above avg, and Chicago well below with snow and ice lol.
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