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Old 05-13-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Finland
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when in fact helsinki is colder than gävle (southern norrland) in winter.


Very hard to believe.

What's the Dec-Jan-Feb mean temps in Gävle?

Not that temps have much to do with precipitation.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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this isn't all that surprising, considering the mean temperature difference in winter between stockholm and helsinki is around 3C. many people in sweden assume that helsinki has about the same winters as stockholm, when in fact helsinki is colder than gävle (southern norrland) in winter.
I thought it was the tendency for Stockholm to remain dry, rather than it being too mild in the winter. Parts of SW Sweden had 100cm of snow in the winter of 2010, yet Stockholm 'only' had 50cm - presumably because it usually misses out on snow, especially from the SW. Helsinki seems to receive lake effect snow on occasion.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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Helsinki average temperatures (C)
November 1.6
December -2
January -3.9
February -4.7
March -1.3

Gävle average temperatures (C)
November 0.2
December -3.8
January -5.1
February -5.4
March -1.5

So yes, Gävle is slightly cooler actually
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I thought it was the tendency for Stockholm to remain dry, rather than it being too mild in the winter. Parts of SW Sweden had 100cm of snow in the winter of 2010, yet Stockholm 'only' had 50cm - presumably because it usually misses out on snow, especially from the SW. Helsinki seems to receive lake effect snow on occasion.
TBH, those snowy winters 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 caused tremendous trouble for Helsinki. Especially the first two. Side streets became impassable, ad hoc parking lots had to be created on squares and local rail traffic was in utter chaos. People walked on the streets as sidewalks were full of snowdrifts from the streets. Those kind of snowpacks are really rare, and it's astonishing they they all came in a row.

For example 2001 peaked at 30cm, 2002 less than 20cm, 2003 at 19cm, 2004 had a week over 40cm, 2005 36cm and so on. And some terrible winters, like 2008 and 2014 saw hardly any snow.

The all-time high is 89cm in February 1966, and 85cm in March 1956. Helsinki Centre recorded 109 in 1941 and 96 in 1916.

The archipelago and Åland protects Turku from most lake-effect snow and we had all those winters some 30cm less snow than Helsinki.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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TBH, those snowy winters 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 caused tremendous trouble for Helsinki. Especially the first two. Side streets became impassable, ad hoc parking lots had to be created on squares and local rail traffic was in utter chaos. People walked on the streets as sidewalks were full of snowdrifts from the streets. Those kind of snowpacks are really rare, and it's astonishing they they all came in a row.

For example 2001 peaked at 30cm, 2002 less than 20cm, 2003 at 19cm, 2004 had a week over 40cm, 2005 36cm and so on. And some terrible winters, like 2008 and 2014 saw hardly any snow.

The all-time high is 89cm in February 1966, and 85cm in March 1956. Helsinki Centre recorded 109 in 1941 and 96 in 1916.

The archipelago and Åland protects Turku from most lake-effect snow and we had all those winters some 30cm less snow than Helsinki.
Awwww, "Hellsinki" gets only 28". What a small amount of snow at 60+ N .

I live at 41 N and our average yearly snowfall is 32".
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:43 AM
 
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Helsinki average temperatures (C)
November 1.6
December -2
January -3.9
February -4.7
March -1.3

Gävle average temperatures (C)
November 0.2
December -3.8
January -5.1
February -5.4
March -1.5

So yes, Gävle is slightly cooler actually
And for the Airport which is inland:
November 0.4
December -3.2
January -5.0
February -5.7
March -1.9

So a very minimal difference. Shouldn't play any part at all.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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And for the Airport which is inland:
November 0.4
December -3.2
January -5.0
February -5.7
March -1.9

So a very minimal difference. Shouldn't play any part at all.
I would say they have similar weather, seeming as their at the same latitude
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Using the weather stations with 1981-2010 normals, here are the all time maximum snow depths for each month:

January:
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 575 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.) //old mine site
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 492 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.) // Vancouver area ski hill
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 384 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.) // high up on a mountainside
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 293 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)// Near Vancouver
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 270 cm ,(53.6°N, 863m elev.) // western edge of the interior plateau
MICA DAM = 250 cm (52.1°N, 579m elev.) // small community centred around a hydro electric dam
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 240 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.) // Along the Transcanada Highway
STEWART A = 240 cm (55.9°N, 7m elev.)// Canada's northernmost ice-free port town.

February:
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 815 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 551 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 435 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 390 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
ATLIN = 380 cm (59.6°N, 674m elev.) // This got to be an error since this far northern community is almost desert-like. I suspect the real number was 38cm, not 380cm for that day.
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 295 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
MICA DAM = 250 cm (52.1°N, 579m elev.)
KITIMAT HATCHERY = 250 cm (54°N, 13m elev.)

March:
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 957 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 455 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 448 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 350 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 310 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
PLEASANT CAMP = 260 cm (59.5°N, 274m elev.) // border with Alaska (highway between Haines Junction, Yukon and Haines, Alaska)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 245 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
MICA DAM = 226 cm (52.1°N, 579m elev.)
FRASER CAMP = 203 cm (59.7°N, 869m elev.) // border with Alaska (highway from the Yukon down to Skagway)
STEWART A = 196 cm (55.9°N, 7m elev.)

April:
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 968 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 465 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 463 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 381 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 268 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 219 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
PLEASANT CAMP = 210 cm (59.5°N, 274m elev.)
FRASER CAMP = 204 cm (59.7°N, 869m elev.)
MICA DAM = 176 cm (52.1°N, 579m elev.)

May:
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 867 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 386 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 348 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 275 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 196 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
PLEASANT CAMP = 177 cm (59.5°N, 274m elev.)
FRASER CAMP = 175 cm (59.7°N, 869m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 164 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
YOHO NP WAPTA LAKE = 107 cm (51.5°N, 1646m elev.)
BARKERVILLE = 98 cm (53.1°N, 1283m elev.) // was at one time the largest town north San Francisco and west of Chicago.

June:
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 603 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 299 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 190 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 183 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 90 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
FRASER CAMP = 70 cm (59.7°N, 869m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 30 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
SIKANNI CHIEF = 13 cm (57.3°N, 937m elev.) //Town on the Alaska Highway
HEDLEY NP MINE = 10 cm (49.4°N, 1651m elev.) //Mine in southern BC
TETSA RIVER = 9 cm (58.7°N, 810m elev.) //Town on the Alaska Highway

July:
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 173 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
DEASE LAKE = 8 cm (58.4°N, 807m elev.)
HEDLEY NP MINE = 3 cm (49.4°N, 1651m elev.)
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT, ETC.... = 0 cm

August:
TETSA RIVER = 15 cm (58.7°N, 810m elev.)
SIKANNI CHIEF = 10 cm (57.3°N, 937m elev.)
FORT ST JOHN A = 5 cm (56.2°N, 695m elev.) City in the Peace River area
MUNCHO LAKE = 4 cm (58.9°N, 837m elev.)
TOAD RIVER = 2 cm (58.9°N, 732m elev.)
DEASE LAKE = 1 cm (58.4°N, 807m elev.) Largest town on the Cassiar Highway
FORT NELSON A = 1 cm (58.8°N, 382m elev.)
TUMBLER RIDGE = 1 cm (55.1°N, 824m elev.)
HOPE A = 1 cm (49.4°N, 39m elev.) //This has got to be a mistake!
Everyone else = 0

September:
SIKANNI CHIEF = 39 cm (57.3°N, 937m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 35 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
SPARWOOD = 34 cm (49.7°N, 1138m elev.)
FORT NELSON A = 30 cm (58.8°N, 382m elev.)
FORT ST JOHN A = 25 cm (56.2°N, 695m elev.)
TETSA RIVER = 22 cm (58.7°N, 810m elev.)

October:
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 166 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
GOLDSTREAM RIVER = 140 cm (51.6°N, 700m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 96 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 80 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 77 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
TOPLEY LANDING = 74 cm (54.8°N, 722m elev.)
PRINCE RUPERT A = 70 cm (54.3°N, 35m elev.)
TETSA RIVER = 69 cm (58.7°N, 810m elev.)
PINE PASS MT LEMORAY = 65 cm (55.5°N, 680m elev.)
SMITHERS A = 62 cm (54.8°N, 522m elev.)

November:
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 288 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
PLEASANT CAMP = 213 cm (59.5°N, 274m elev.)
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 212 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
BURNABY SIMON FRASER U = 200 cm (49.3°N, 366m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 185 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 170 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 170 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
MICA DAM = 131 cm (52.1°N, 579m elev.)
STEWART A = 122 cm (55.9°N, 7m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 120 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
KLEENA KLEENE 2 = 107 cm (52°N, 914m elev.) //Amazingly, this town only averages 319 mm of precipitation/year!


December:
UNUK RIVER ESKAY CREEK = 450 cm (56.7°N, 887m elev.)
N VANC GROUSE MTN RESORT = 378 cm (49.4°N, 1128m elev.)
GLACIER NP MT FIDELITY = 359 cm (51.2°N, 1890m elev.)
PLEASANT CAMP = 273 cm (59.5°N, 274m elev.)
HOLLYBURN RIDGE = 249 cm (49.4°N, 930m elev.)
TAHTSA LAKE WEST = 245 cm (53.6°N, 863m elev.)
GLACIER NP ROGERS PASS = 183 cm (51.3°N, 1340m elev.)
STEWART A = 182 cm (55.9°N, 7m elev.)

Bold shows which month the all-time maximum occurred in.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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That is a lot of snow!^
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:38 PM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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The winter of 2013/14 had less snow than usually here is but before it we had truly snowy winters on 2009/10, 2010/11, 2012/13.
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