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Old 07-06-2014, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Their average are lower than ours, yet they never seem to see massively below average temps in summer.
I think most places in Poland, Ukraine and Russia around 51N have higher summer averages than London. Like Voronezh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voronezh#Climate

But partly true in any way what you say. Northeastern Europe haven't really experienced extremely much below summer months since the mid 90's. And good for me!

 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Castlederp
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Nuke those prats. Bomb them into a nuclear winter of stagnation and 30 year frigid winter with not a drop of sun.
I only take respite in the fact that their winters are truly dreadful.. as cloudy as ours but also freezing.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Buxton UK
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It has something to do with increased high latitude (northern) high pressure blocking patterns which have been setting up more often since around 2007. May 2007 was when this new pattern started to become more evident. Also, with the weaker polar vortex (which seems to be associated with this) and buckling jetstream which is taking a more southerly path over the Eastern Atlantic areas more frequently.

But actually a history of our summers shows that we've always had these periods in our climate, where we go through a run of crap, cool and cloudy summers like this one. Truly good summers are very few and far between. If anyone thinks the summers of 2007-2012 were that bad, the 1960's and early 70's were rather worse, although perhaps not so exceptionally wet and cloudy as some of the months in 2007-2012.

I wonder if those 1960's summers saw the high temp anomalies over Eastern Europe concurrent with the dross over the NW areas. If not, then that would make the whole more modern phenomenon more strange. That there is a clear warming trend of the summers over there, quite rapid in fact, not so evident over here, and possibly even at the detriment to our summers - based on tangible evidence of increased cloud and rainfall in our summers over the last decade or so.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:37 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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Their average are lower than ours, yet they never seem to see massively below average temps in summer.
What cities where?

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Yeah as B87 said, it would only make sense if they also saw well below average temps, but they never do seem to.
Hmm
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Finland
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I wonder if those 1960's summers saw the high temp anomalies over Eastern Europe concurrent with the dross over the NW areas. If not, then that would make the whole more modern phenomenon more strange. That there is a clear warming trend of the summers over there, quite rapid in fact, not so evident over here, and possibly even at the detriment to our summers - based on tangible evidence of increased cloud and rainfall in our summers over the last decade or so.
For Helsinki,

60's: 5 summers below, 3 average, 2 above (1972 and 1973)
70's: 6 summers below, 1 average, 2 above

00's and 10's: 9 summers above, 1 average, 4 below
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:41 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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What cities where?



Hmm
Places like Warsaw, Helsinki, St Petersburg, Moscow. Moscow and Warsaw are 0.1-0.2C warmer than London over the course of the summer, but that shouldn't make a massive difference.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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For Helsinki,

60's: 5 summers below, 3 average, 2 above (1972 and 1973)
70's: 6 summers below, 1 average, 2 above

00's and 10's: 9 summers above, 1 average, 4 below
Interesting. For Zagreb: (compare this to this)

1995-1999: 5 summers above
00's: 10 summers above
10's: 4 summers above

So, we haven't had a below average summer at least since 1995, probably even more.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Buxton UK
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Worrying stuff.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Castlederp
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It has something to do with increased high latitude (northern) high pressure blocking patterns which have been setting up more often since around 2007. May 2007 was when this new pattern started to become more evident. Also, with the weaker polar vortex (which seems to be associated with this) and buckling jetstream which is taking a more southerly path over the Eastern Atlantic areas more frequently.

But actually a history of our summers shows that we've always had these periods in our climate, where we go through a run of crap, cool and cloudy summers like this one. Truly good summers are very few and far between. If anyone thinks the summers of 2007-2012 were that bad, the 1960's and early 70's were rather worse, although perhaps not so exceptionally wet and cloudy as some of the months in 2007-2012.

I wonder if those 1960's summers saw the high temp anomalies over Eastern Europe concurrent with the dross over the NW areas. If not, then that would make the whole more modern phenomenon more strange. That there is a clear warming trend of the summers over there, quite rapid in fact, not so evident over here, and possibly even at the detriment to our summers - based on tangible evidence of increased cloud and rainfall in our summers over the last decade or so.
Last year was pretty good.. but hopefully this trend stops!!

I'd like to see high pressure ridged over western Europe with low pressure covering eastern Europe for a change.. let them have a bad summer for once!
 
Old 07-06-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Interesting. For Zagreb: (compare this to this)

1995-1999: 5 summers above
00's: 10 summers above
10's: 4 summers above

So, we haven't had a below average summer at least since 1995, probably even more.
Not that dramatic in Helsinki for 2000-2013, but still a clear trend.

May: 16.3C/5.8C (+0.5/+1.0C)
Jun: 19.9C/10.2C (+0.3/+0.7C)
Jul: 23.5C/14.1C (+1.0/+1.5C)
Aug: 21.4C/12.4C (+0.9/+1.1C)
Sep: 15.9C/8.0C (+1.1C/+1.1C)

In Lapland the change has been very dramatic. 2 below normal summers, one average, and 11 above since 2000.

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Last year was pretty good.. but hopefully this trend stops!!

I'd like to see high pressure ridged over western Europe with low pressure covering eastern Europe for a change.. let them have a bad summer for once!
We just had the coldest 2 June weeks in 50 years.
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