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Old 08-05-2014, 07:40 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Eh. Would rather have an 8:30 pm light. Light at 6 am isn't that important, though it does sound a bit off.
Well I agree but when I was in Florida and opened up the curtains at 6:30 to see darkness (real dark) it felt extremely weird.

 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Eh. Would rather have an 8:30 pm light. Light at 6 am isn't that important, though it does sound a bit off.
But school bus can pick up student at 7 or even before.
it means elementary school kids must up at 6 or before. For max sleep on that age (9-10 h) = bed at 8-9 pm. So its better dark at 8pm and light at 6am, IMO
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:43 AM
 
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Well I agree but when I was in Florida and opened up the curtains at 6:30 to see darkness (real dark) it felt extremely weird.
Especially in blazing hot summer!!!
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Finland
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This is true, but I imagine it is a problem for many places in Canada, Russia, Scandinavia etc.
What does it matter? The sun rises at 9 and sets at 15 anyway in December. But if I had to choose, I definitely take the permanent DST. In mid-January it would be 17:30 sunsets, in mid February 18:30. Those would already bring benefits, just being customed to the late sunrises.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 07:52 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Well whatever happens I wish this would be solved as the clock changing is a pain.
 
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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But school bus can pick up student at 7 or even before.
it means elementary school kids must up at 6 or before. For max sleep on that age (9-10 h) = bed at 8-9 pm. So its better dark at 8pm and light at 6am, IMO
Eh. I can't remember exactly the time elementary school started, but I remember waking up at 6:30 many times, before 6 was unnecessary. It's summer time anyway, so school is out of session.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Finland
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But school bus can pick up student at 7 or even before.
it means elementary school kids must up at 6 or before. For max sleep on that age (9-10 h) = bed at 8-9 pm. So its better dark at 8pm and light at 6am, IMO
Elementary school starts at 8-10, high school at 9-11, and universities 9-13, so it's not that much of a problem here.

Schools are out from first weekend of June to mid August, universities from mid May to 1 September.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Castlederp
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That sounds backwards.

Most people who work, go to school (besides college) are up by 8 am (generally closer to 7-7:30 am), definitely by 9 am. Few like waking up in the dark and kids walking to school in the dark is a bad situation. American daylight savings time is set to prevent really late sunrises in the winter rather than early sunrises for this reason. 7:45 am is considered the latest acceptable sunrise, having light at 7:30 am and darkness at 5 pm is a common situation in 5 pm.

I actually would prefer a late sunset even if I have to get up in the dark some days, but it's not the most practical setup.
Hmm, it's true that most people are up at 8am-9am in winter for work/school/college but then not everybody (people who start later, do not work, etc)

I guess it is slightly different in America as your sunset times are slightly later at a lower latitude.. over here it is a lose lose situation in the north, as it gets dark before 4pm and is still dark after 8am in many places
 
Old 08-05-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Castlederp
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No its not.

There are parts further west than me.
It would hardly benefit us with the late sunrises..
Not true. Look at a map.

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[url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/11/30/244995264/spains-been-in-the-wrong-time-zone-for-seven-decades]Spain Has Been In The 'Wrong' Time Zone For 7 Decades : Parallels : NPR[/url]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/09/26/spaniards-are-less-productive-constantly-tired-because-spain-is-in-the-wrong-time-zone/]Spaniards are less productive, constantly tired because Spain is in the wrong time zone - The Washington Post[/url]

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It comes down to personal preference I guess. Spain is right in my eyes, but then I prefer later sunsets as I am not always awake at 8am in wnter

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Latest sunrise in Florida is 7:03am!!

Which is absolutely mad as it is bright here long long long before then.
It isn't mad at all. Otherwise sunsets would be around 7pm which would be ridiculous for mid summer.
 
Old 08-05-2014, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Castlederp
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Well whatever happens I wish this would be solved as the clock changing is a pain.
Well you complain about everything.. you complained that the timezone was wrong before we went to BST, then afterwards you complained about the hassle of changing the clocks, after we change you will be complaining about the later sunsets.

I think most of us can at least agree that the clocks should change, in the UK at least, in early March instead of late March. What is the point in 5:45am sunrise and 18:30 sunsets towards the end of March just before the clocks change.. if we changed at the start of March it would be 7:45am sunrise and 18:40 sunset which seems good. In March when I used to do football training it was always a hassle as we had to pay extra for floodlit pitches
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