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View Poll Results: Climate Battle: A low elevation tundra climate vs. a low elevation humid subtropical climate at the
Prince Edward Islands 9 10.11%
Lugano 80 89.89%
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Lugano isn't subtropical, and that is the flaw in using vegetation alone.
Warmest month exceeds 22C for Lugano, so it just squeaks by as subtropical under Koppen.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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Warmest month exceeds 22C for Lugano, so it just squeaks by as subtropical under Koppen.

Yeah and New York, Philly and DC are subtropical by Koppen, and we know how most on here feel about that. No winter warmth in Lugano, just protective mountains allowing some palm trees to grow.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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Yeah and New York, Philly and DC are subtropical by Koppen, and we know how most on here feel about that. No winter warmth in Lugano, just protective mountains allowing some palm trees to grow.
I think Lugano is subtropical because the rainfall pattern indicates a fundamental change to that of oceanic climates, where fronts from polar low pressure zones are a feature year round. The rainfall pattern indicates that convection becomes the primary cause in summer rainfall, which isn't an oceanic trait.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: North West of Milan, Italy
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Yeah and New York, Philly and DC are subtropical by Koppen, and we know how most on here feel about that. No winter warmth in Lugano, just protective mountains allowing some palm trees to grow.
Frankly we shouldn't care about what people thinks but what is right considering Earth climate in a generic way, if Lugano has a 22,1°C July average it is subtropical, like New York, Philadelphia, Washington D.C. and many other cities.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:49 PM
 
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I think Lugano is subtropical because the rainfall pattern indicates a fundamental change to that of oceanic climates, where fronts from polar low pressure zones are a feature year round. The rainfall pattern indicates that convection becomes the primary cause in summer rainfall, which isn't an oceanic trait.

Is NYC subtropical?
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:59 PM
 
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Is NYC subtropical?
Yep, I think it is. It's quite close to the Dfa winter boundary, but it still qualifies.

While it's winter is quite a bit colder than I would like, I can't say that it seems like a continental winter.

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Old 07-22-2017, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Las Cruces NM
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Lugano for me...following the links to both places, 90" of rain / year in Prince Edward Island is too much, and 60" rain / year or so in Lugano sounds much better, especially for the Alps nearby for skiing, etc.

I could see Lugano as "humid subtropical", if winter warmth were not needed for that, only lack of / moderated winter freezing. Ditto parts of NYC, Philly, DC, Tulsa, etc by that definition. As to Prince Edward Island as "tundra", something in terms of "cool oceanic" is more like it. Their average lows in winter are higher than mine, and their record winter lows are much higher, and my area is a "subtropical desert" or at least a "warm temperate desert" with hot summers...tundra is more like above timberline in Colorado or the Alaska north slope.

Koppen...too many loose items in just the US to make it into much useful, though Bailey tried in his ecoregions.
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Old 07-22-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Esquel, Argentina
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Is NYC subtropical?
Yep, I think it is. It's quite close to the Dfa winter boundary, but it still qualifies.

While it's winter is quite a bit colder than I would like, I can't say that it seems like a continental winter.
I prefer Trewartha to define what's subtropical and what isn't: 8 or more months where the mean temperature is above 10°C. NYC has 7 so it is considered temperate.
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Old 07-22-2017, 01:12 PM
 
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I prefer Trewartha to define what's subtropical and what isn't: 8 or more months where the mean temperature is above 10°C. NYC has 7 so it is considered temperate.
I think it depends on what you regard subtropical to mean -is it just temperature related, or is it about the factors which cause a place to have the climate it does? NYC might fail under Trewartha, but it's warm season shows a clear change in climate dynamics, with a strong shift to air masses that are very subtropical in origin.

My climate by comparison, is subtropical under Trewartha, but the summer season will still get cold fronts from the polar low.
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Old 07-22-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Orcutt, CA (Santa Maria Valley)
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Lugano is an obvious choice.
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