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I don't recall the grass being green here all winter, but I'll keep everyone posted. The grass is still green here in Harrisburg, then they definitely are where tom lives in Philly
Depends on the grass. If lawns have warm season grass it is brown. Our area is transitional and therefore you can usually have cold season grass do okay in the summer.
In a really cold spell in winter with low temps in the low teens and high temps in the 20's, the grass will get more brown. As soon as average temps return the grass greens up. Seen it happen over and over.
Horticulture notwithstanding, a subtropical "paradise" needs to have immunity from cold weather. South Florida has enough of this to qualify; the rest of the US South does not.
This does not mean the rest of the US South is not subtropical, only that it's not a "paradise".
No where is "paradise" including Brisbane. I think the term is kind of silly for describing climates or anywhere for that matter.
The fact is, if you prefer warm winter over cold winter, some subtropical climates are better than others. I don't like extreme heat and humidity in summer, so I would say the cooler summers and less extreme cold anomalies in Australia and the southern hemisphere make better subtropical climates.
But if one doesn't want to deal with all the crap of immigrating to another country, I think here we have far better choices in the US for warm winters than places like Canada. Even Europeans now have easy choices to move to warmer climes. Unfortunately for Canadians, you lot really have no where to go unless you emigrate.
Yea, that green grass color is common in Long island and sometimes here. Not as lush as England has in the winter. Here's upstate NY (Ithaca) in January 2013, after a relatively mild stretch. Same green look.
late March 2013, western Massachusetts:
some point in the winter, severe cold killed off the upper part of the grass.
Your extreme cold nights and more ice days make your grass far less green than here. England has lush grass because it is very cool tolerant but would totally fry up in our summers. It is useless here. Their green grass doesn't indicate that somehow it is "warm" there in winter. It just means their temps in the 30's and 40's in winter, and 60's and 70's in summer is perfect for cool season grass.
If they grew warm season grass like the South, one night of temps below freezing and it would turn brown. Warm season grass cannot take frost.
. Their green grass doesn't indicate that somehow it is "warm" there in winter. It just means their temps in the 30's and 40's in winter, and 60's and 70's in summer is perfect for cool season grass.
If they grew warm season grass like the South, one night of temps below freezing and it would turn brown. Warm season grass cannot take frost.
i wouldn't consider those (English)grasses as ideal for cool summers though. They stopped growing here about 2 weeks ago, and will likely see little growth until March. They are the best compromise though, providing good rates of growth for the majority of autumn, spring, and a reasonable amount of winter.
Summer grasses provide the greenest lawns here in summer, but even the mild winters here will see them brown for 3-4 months.
Yea, that green grass color is common in Long island and sometimes here. Not as lush as England has in the winter. Here's upstate NY (Ithaca) in January 2013, after a relatively mild stretch. Same green look.
late March 2013, western Massachusetts:
some point in the winter, severe cold killed off the upper part of the grass.
Depends on the grass. If lawns have warm season grass it is brown. Our area is transitional and therefore you can usually have cold season grass do okay in the summer.
In a really cold spell in winter with low temps in the low teens and high temps in the 20's, the grass will get more brown. As soon as average temps return the grass greens up. Seen it happen over and over.
I took this photo in Jan of 2013
I saw green grass in Philly yesterday, but its brown here in CNJ.
You misinterpreted the article. It never said the Cold Epoch lasted for the entirety of the latest 4,000 year time period.
It simply was stating that 4,000 years ago marked the time in which the Jet-stream, in a 500 year period, contorted in a way where any subsequent Cold Epoch was much more severe than before the change. The alternation between the natural and the cold cycles was still present. The also makes note of the still-working theory of how global warming may cause colder winter, but that is for another discussion.
Also take notice of a 200 year cycle where the Jet Stream gets flatter due to sun intensity.
Only except that the article never stated that the Cold Epoch was present for the entirety of these last 4,000 years.
That math analogy was a complete fail.
On one hand, its an apples and oranges comparison because the notion that the quantity "2" and another quantity "2" added together sums up to "4" is precise, exact, and never wrong, with no hidden variables abound, unlike when dealing with climatology.
But on the other hand, it actually represents my point about how climate should be examined utilizing a holistic approach as the number "2" can be a range of numbers as high as 2.4 (the lurking variable being the rounding principle). Using that 2.4 + 2.4 will equal 4.8, which rounds off to 5, and thus, 2 + 2 can equal 5. Thus, I found a correct solution to a problem not only by utilizing numerical values, but also by taking into consideration all the lurking variables, and not just focusing blindly on one element. In much the same way, we need to look at not only the weather data, but also the natural vegetation, and animals, and also any overarching unnatural patterns, before we can jump to the conclusion that the South is the subtropical region with the most extreme temp variations.
Your point about Orlando's record low being far from average compared to Brisbane's is negated, because, remember, it was due solely to the cold snaps caused by the Cold Epoch.
But, in winters when the Cold Epoch isn't as fierce, such as that of 2012-13 the temperatures of the Eastern US are a lot more stable. This is Jan 2013 for Orlando. Notice the consistency in temps. Weather History for Orlando, FL | Weather Underground
Well, the cold snaps that did indeed occur in Europe, especially those from the Little Ice Age, brought temps colder than 1.2C to Malta not too long before 1859.
If Malta was really immune to freezes, and cold snaps, then much of the native flora and fauna of the island would be rated USDA zone 10 and up. So provide me with some examples of such if you truly believe in Malta's immunity to cold snaps.
You can also grow coconuts, mangoes, and papayas in Houston, New Orleans, Corpus Christi, and many other Coastal South cities. In addition, sugar cane, guavas, watermelons, cantaloupes, bananas, sweet potatoes, and then some, all grow in many of the Coastal South cities. So the US South heads toe to toe with Australia in the subtropical department, a match that will become even more apparant as this Cold Epoch slowly, but surely eases away.
Two words: Cold Epoch.
Austin does not see an ice day every winter; that average cropped up due to the fact that historical winters at the peak of the Cold Epoch saw ice days to an unusual frequency, and were rounded up with the other ice-day free years to come up with the average of 1 per year.
This November was indeed cold for Austin, but remember, it was solely due to Nuri's influence. We might not see something like that again for the rest of winter.
The South too limited by freezes compared to other subtropical regions? That's not what the people said when they were growing and planting all kinds of subtropical/tropical crops, from cotton, to indigo, to sugar cane, since the U.S. was still the 13 colonies.
No, the South, especially the coastal portion, is subtropical paradise; the climate is so beast, it contains a tropical paradise, South Florida, outside the tropics. How awesome is that? Its a climactic orgasm for sure.
Most of your post is bull****, but i'm too lazy to expose the nonsense you write.
So i just bolded one thing in your post that is absolutely not true.
More like temps in the 40s and 50s in winter, and the grass does dry up and die quite often in the mid 70s in summer.
Yeah in London where it can and does reach the 20s as well. It is colder than 6/7c at night there in winter.
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