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Old 11-24-2014, 02:27 PM
 
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OP please refrain from overusing "US South". The South works just fine, everybody knows what you're talking about

 
Old 11-24-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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The South has freakishly cold winters for its latitude and in many ways is more of a hybrid of a Humid Continental cold-winter temperate climate and a proper Humid Subtropical climate than truly subtropical. I don't think there's any debating this.

Temp-wise winters in Atlanta are similar to winters in Vancouver Canada, that's telling of something.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Rimini, Emilia-Romagna, Italy (44°0 N)
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The Deep South (which includes the states below 35°N) certainly has a proper subtropical climate, I agree with Yn0hTnA.
The southernmost part of the Deep South (southern Florida and southern Texas) is even borderline tropical. Winters are very warm there (non existant winters apart a few odd cold days), while summers are very hot and rainy, just like in the tropics.

The American South is not only Florida, but also Virginia, District of Columbia, Kentucky, Tennessee. The Upper South (above 35°N) has a Cfa climate but I'm not sure the word "subtropical" would describe well that climate.
Winters are cool, but not enough to be continental, with occasional powerful cold waves, while summers are hot and rainy.
The climate there is similar to the Po Valley with colder extremes and fluctuations, at a much lower latitude - if Virginia is subtropical, Emilia-Romagna and Lombardia are subtropical too.
 
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The South has freakishly cold winters for its latitude and in many ways is more of a hybrid of a Humid Continental cold-winter temperate climate and a proper Humid Subtropical climate than truly subtropical. I don't think there's any debating this.
China has similar or colder winter averages at the same latitude.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: New York
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The South has freakishly cold winters for its latitude and in many ways is more of a hybrid of a Humid Continental cold-winter temperate climate and a proper Humid Subtropical climate than truly subtropical. I don't think there's any debating this.
It does not, winters in the South are generally mild/warm. Asia features colder winters at the same latitude. No one's denying the fact that there's continental influence, but the whole "cold winter" thing is nonsense.

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Temp-wise winters in Atlanta are similar to winters in Vancouver Canada, that's telling of something.
Atlanta's high temperatures are roughly 10 degrees warmer than Vancouver's during the winter, a noticeable difference. And on top of being warmer, Atlanta's much sunnier, with stronger sunshine.

.....VAN....vs.....ATL.....
43.3/33.4 vs 54.0/36.5 (Dec)
44.4/34.5 vs 52.3/34.3 (Jan)
46.8/34.9 vs 56.6/37.7 (Feb)

It's comparing apples to oranges, their climates are completely different.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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North florida hit 17f a few days ago. In mid november!! Stable? I think not! Even miami had a high of 86 then two days later did not get above the low 60s! Granted it is in the 80s again right now but a high in the sixties is in store for thanksgiving for us down here in miami
 
Old 11-24-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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It does not, winters in the South are generally mild/warm. Asia features colder winters at the same latitude. No one's denying the fact that there's continental influence, but the whole "cold winter" thing is nonsense.



Atlanta's high temperatures are roughly 10 degrees warmer than Vancouver's during the winter, a noticeable difference. And on top of being warmer, Atlanta's much sunnier, with stronger sunshine.

.....VAN....vs.....ATL.....
43.3/33.4 vs 54.0/36.5 (Dec)
44.4/34.5 vs 52.3/34.3 (Jan)
46.8/34.9 vs 56.6/37.7 (Feb)

It's comparing apples to oranges, their climates are completely different.
Though Atlanta does get colder temps than Vancouver does every winter. But warmer highs.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 04:26 PM
 
Location: New York
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Though Atlanta does get colder temps than Vancouver does every winter. But warmer highs.
Both cities share the same hardiness zone (8), so while Atlanta may (or may not) get colder temps than Vancouver during the winter, the difference is likely negligible.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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I also like to look at data; care to explain why Dallas had a colder high a few weeks ago than London has ever had in November?
Jacksonville FL has the same hardiness zone as London lol.
 
Old 11-24-2014, 08:21 PM
 
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Eastern Australia has the best subtropical climate in the world. Mild to warm temperatures year round, low standard deviation, regular thunderstorms without risking severe weather (tornadoes), and lots of sunshine.

U.S. climates pretty much suck in comparison. On the West Coast, you have to sacrifice warmth and sunshine to get a decent amount of rain. The rest of the country (except for the Southeast) is way too cold in winter. Climates like Charleston and New Orleans have ideal average winter temperatures for a good subtropical climate (highs around 60 and lows in the 40s) but their cold snaps in the single digits ruin their vegetation. Then there's the tornado risk in spring and hurricane risk in summer.
Europe is more stable but still way too gloomy and cloudy with weak summers except for the Mediterranean sea climates which still also have the dry summer that California has.

Australia rules! Look at the record lows in Sydney and Brisbane and compare them to the record lows in the U.S. Southern Cities. For those who desire a Mediterranean climate, Perth provides that but with more summer rain than L.A. Melbourne provides a better oceanic climate than either Seattle or London with more sunshine hours and much milder winters.
I love Australian climates.
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