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So if it's 35C somewhere right now with a dew point of 25C you'll need to know the place's latitude and elevation before you can decide if it's hot, warm, mild, cool, or cold?
For a person living in the humid Gulf Coast of the Middle East that experiences 45C+ summers with 30C dewpoints nearly everyday, that combo will seem like a 'cool relief' to them.
For a person living in the humid Gulf Coast of the Middle East that experiences 45C+ summers with 30C dewpoints nearly everyday, that combo will seem like a 'cool relief' to them.
Yeah that's fine but they wouldn't need a GPS to tell them that!
just want to chip in and say Australia rocks. it has one of the best assortments of Oceanic, Subtropical, and Tropical climates on the planet... as long as you are near the coast that is. something like 95% of Australia's population lives within 50 miles of the coastline. and for good reason. the farther inland you go the worse it gets (much like Southern California).
just want to chip in and say Australia rocks. it has one of the best assortments of Oceanic, Subtropical, and Tropical climates on the planet... as long as you are near the coast that is. something like 95% of Australia's population lives within 50 miles of the coastline. and for good reason. the farther inland you go the worse it gets (much like Southern California).
Yeah, gardeners in Australia have no fear of losing a palm tree or a beautiful subtropical plant to an extreme bizarre winter min temperature. Maybe we should forget about anywhere in the US being subtropical except extreme southern FL, southern TX and a sliver along the west coast. Just so unstable and unpredictable to be subtropical.
Even people in Miami never know when a low temp of 27F will return. Orlando had Queen palms killed in the 1980's not to mention millions of acres of citrus. The US should throw in the towel and admit we really have no decent subtropical climates anywhere save a sliver along the west coast. Just too damn unstable to know what you can plant or what you can expect in the winter. North America stinks compared to the rest of the planet in both climate and geography.
Yeah, gardeners in Australia have no fear of losing a palm tree or a beautiful subtropical plant to an extreme bizarre winter min temperature. Maybe we should forget about anywhere in the US being subtropical except extreme southern FL, southern TX and a sliver along the west coast. Just so unstable and unpredictable to be subtropical.
Even people in Miami never know when a low temp of 27F will return. Orlando had Queen palms killed in the 1980's not to mention millions of acres of citrus. The US should throw in the towel and admit we really have no decent subtropical climates anywhere save a sliver along the west coast. Just too damn unstable to know what you can plant or what you can expect in the winter. North America stinks compared to the rest of the planet in both climate and geography.
well at the very least the Gulf Coast U.S. is without a doubt Subtropical. The hardiest of palms like the Sabal, Sabal Minor, and Needle Palm, (which are subtropical plants) survive even the worst of times in their native habitat.
Sabal Minor, Needle Palm is native to 8a
Sabal is native to 9a, and some coastal areas of 8b.
it doesn't have to be perfect to be considered Subtropical. though i think its current usage is stretched too far by about one full hardiness zone. currently ranging to 7a, but i think it should go no further than 8a.
Subtropical climates in China do not range any further than 8a so why should U.S. Subtropical climates? (of course the current reason is daily means)
and i don't think there is a single place on the Australian continent with a hardiness zone below 8a
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but really? 32°F/0°C mean in the coldest month is subtropical?
I don't care if it is hot and sticky for the rest of the year, 32°F/0°C is too low of a threshold for mean temperatures. those places are flat out chilly for several months...
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well at the very least the Gulf Coast U.S. is without a doubt Subtropical. The hardiest of palms like the Sabal, Sabal Minor, and Needle Palm, (which are subtropical plants) survive even the worst of times in their native habitat.
Sabal Minor, Needle Palm is native to 8a
Sabal is native to 9a, and some coastal areas of 8b.
But that's not a "signature" subtropical plant. Despite being the official tree of two states...
Australia's small size makes it milder, but not always.
Here are some comparisons, I tried to find areas with similar latitude, and on the same side of the conitnent.
Also, north and south sides are flipped like with trade winds.
But Boston is a subtropical paradise! Look at those winters, heavenly and mild.. and gosh those tropical summers are just paradise! IMO the subtropical line goes right up to northern Maine!!!!!!!!!!!
Australia isn't small; it's the size of the continental US.
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Despite being the official tree of two states...
