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Old 04-28-2015, 06:00 AM
 
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Interesting write up and Lot's of sources below story. Interesting about the underwater volcanoes heating up the Pacific. Now we have above ground Volcanoes exploding (which he didn't mention)

Pacific Ocean far warmer than normal - NOT our fault -

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Recent headlines downplay the importance of this super-heated water by calling it a “warm blob,” but this particular blob – which covers one million square miles! – can help explain the deceptive claims of “warmest year on record.”

Record heat on the West Coast, record cold and snow on the East Coast, fish swimming into new waters, and hungry seals washing up on California beaches.

Remember if you will, NASA’s claim that 2014 was the warmest year on record. Now, NOAA claims that we just endured the warmest March on record.

How did NASA and NOAA come up with those claims? Because both of these politically motivated entities use globally averaged temperature taken over both the land and the oceans.
Yes, both the land and the oceans.

Look at a globe. The world’s oceans cover almost 71% of our planet. No wonder the numbers are skewed.




" As underwater volcanoes heat the seas, ever more moisture rises into the skies.
If those skies have been cooled by above-water volcanoes – presto! – you have the recipe for a new ice-age.

Warmer seas and colder skies . . . a deadly combination "
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Huh? Of course global temperature averages over land and ocean. It would be incorrect if it didn't. Why do would the authors think that's a skew? Large parts of Eurasia were rather warm last March.

Underwater volcano? For that to be correct, you'd see the biggest heating at the bottom of ocean and some rather unusual vertical temperature gradients. It takes time for heat to travel from the depths of the ocean, and the amount of volcanism would need to high. Ok, here's an article on how that might work, but you'd need to follow a solid tie to the Pacific.

In Search of Megaplumes | DiscoverMagazine.com
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Huh? Of course global temperature averages over land and ocean. It would be incorrect if it didn't. Why do would the authors think that's a skew? Large parts of Eurasia were rather warm last March.

Underwater volcano? For that to be correct, you'd see the biggest heating at the bottom of ocean and some rather unusual vertical temperature gradients. It takes time for heat to travel from the depths of the ocean, and the amount of volcanism would need to high. Ok, here's an article on how that might work, but you'd need to follow a solid tie to the Pacific.

In Search of Megaplumes | DiscoverMagazine.com
Will take a look at that later.. Don't volcanoes stick up? So essentially the bottom wouldn't be the warmest, its the eruption which sends the heat "up".

Point about global temps is that 71% of the globe is covered in water. LOL
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Old 04-28-2015, 09:42 AM
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Will take a look at that later.. Don't volcanoes stick up? So essentially the bottom wouldn't be the warmest, its the eruption which sends the heat "up".
Well if it's underwater, they'd still stick up relative the lowest parts of the ocean floor but still many thousands of feet below the top.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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Well if it's underwater, they'd still stick up relative the lowest parts of the ocean floor but still many thousands of feet below the top.
? Where do you think the gases and heat from the eruptions go? It's not like it reverses and goes back down. Thousands of degrees of magma and heat rising up and spreading out.

From your link..

"Second, megaplumes stir up huge amounts of ocean, carrying minerals and gases and heat almost to the sea’s surface."

And remember, hot fluids are more buoyant than cooler ones. Cool, dense water tends to stay near the bottom and warmer buoyant water near the top.

So these underwater volcanic eruptions could "also" be the cause for the Pacific to warm up.

And it's not like they are all thousands of feet below the surface, many are very close.

Remember this one?

January 2015

There’s a new island in the Pacific Ocean, thanks to an underwater volcano eruption that’s been going on for the past month...Underwater volcanoes create new islands pretty frequently.
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:18 PM
 
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Interesting write up and Lot's of sources below story. Interesting about the underwater volcanoes heating up the Pacific. Now we have above ground Volcanoes exploding (which he didn't mention)

Pacific Ocean far warmer than normal - NOT our fault -

More details with link above..







" As underwater volcanoes heat the seas, ever more moisture rises into the skies.
If those skies have been cooled by above-water volcanoes – presto! – you have the recipe for a new ice-age.

Warmer seas and colder skies . . . a deadly combination "
I highly doubt we are heading anywhere close to another ice age.
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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I highly doubt we are heading anywhere close to another ice age.
Yeah, I ignored that part of the story. Lol. but the thought of warmer oceans and cold air is true recipe.. Plus looking at how we just tanked abruptly with temps we won't know until we're in it for a while. Can't claim a beginning until decades later. For now ignoring those claims as well...although it sure feels and looks like its beginning. Probably just an anomaly again.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:49 PM
 
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Related to the Pacific blob of warmth.. Video

Pacific Ocean 'blob' linked to weather extremes - Video -

Published on Apr 18, 2015
"The Blob" - it sounds like a monster in a movie (in fact, it was, twice), but actually it's the informal name given to a patch of warm water in the Pacific Ocean which scientists think could be behind "

"The warm water heats the air above it, the video explains. This creates an area of high pressure over western North America, giving it settled, mostly dry, and in this case warm, weather.At the same time, the area of high pressure deflects the jet stream, allowing the cold and snow to dip down the eastern side of the USA."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30xl-_qK9ZE
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Old 04-29-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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Yeah, I ignored that part of the story. Lol. but the thought of warmer oceans and cold air is true recipe.. Plus looking at how we just tanked abruptly with temps we won't know until we're in it for a while. Can't claim a beginning until decades later. For now ignoring those claims as well...although it sure feels and looks like its beginning. Probably just an anomaly again.
I hope so but I don't understand how come volcanoes cool the earth despite releasing lots of c02 wouldn't the volcanic cooling be short term only? I understand how volcanoes cool the atmosphere but why is it long term cooling not short? the prospect of an ice age is far scarier than global warming to me. both are scary but an ice age would be far more destructive to modern civilization.
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:24 AM
 
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And another one .. More heat for the Pacific?

" Axial Seamount, an active underwater volcano located about 300 miles (482 km) off the coast of Oregon and Washington, appears to be erupting, says a news release from Oregon State University.

The eruption confirms the prediction by two scientists that such an event would take place there in 2015.

Geologists Bill Chadwick of Oregon State University and Scott Nooner of the University of North Carolina Wilmington made their forecast last September, the OSU release continues.

Since last Friday, April 24, the region has experienced thousands of tiny earthquakes – a sign that magma is moving toward the surface. At one point, sensors recorded 8,000 small earthquakes in just 24 hours.

Meanwhile, the seafloor dropped by 2.4 meters, nearly eight feet, also a sign of magma being withdrawn from a reservoir beneath the summit.

Standing about 3,000 feet high, but still remaining nearly a mile below the ocean’s surface, Axial straddles the Juan De Fuca Ridge. The volcano’s central caldera, nearly 2 miles wide and 5 miles long, is dotted with hydrothermal vents and black smokers. For comparison, the 1982 eruption of Washington’s Mount St. Helens left a horseshoe-shaped crater just 1 mile (1.6 km) across. "


http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2015/apr/researchers-think-axial-seamount-northwest-coast-erupting-%E2%80%93-right-schedule

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/science/did-she-blow-nw-submarine-volcano-likely-just-erupted/

http://io9.com/an-undersea-volcano-may-be-erupting-off-the-us-northwes-1701473031
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