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Lol you wanna bet there are palms in Atlanta and Dallas as well. The thing is when they do get very cold there, it usually recovers quite fast. Also, the average temps are much warmer than a place like Locarno or Copenhagen lol. You need to go on some other forums and tell people in Atlanta there are no palms there. I know people growing them.
I Always thought palm trees grow in Atlanta and Dallas. Now I read they don't.
Even Atlanta is too cold for Palms (at least in the long term). Its continental location means every once it a while it will see bitter cold. The record low in Atlanta is -8 which is almost 20 degrees lower than the record low in Vancouver CA.
Rather intersting that the record low in Blaine, WA is -1F, while in Vancouver it is 12F according to you. If Blaine went to -1F and Seattle went down to 0F in 1950, then Vancouver was right there along with it.
Blaine, WA is 25 miles south of Vancouver sitting right on the same body of water that Vancouver is. I don't believe the record low you posted for Vancouver. In fact, Wiki claims the record low for Vancouver is 0F.
Atlanta average annual extreme min temp is 14F based on the last 30 years. That is zone 8a/b.
I Always thought palm trees grow in Atlanta and Dallas. Now I read they don't.
Go on this facebook page and tell the people palms don't grow in Atlanta and Dallas. And then wait for the pics to come to prove to you otherwise. You will have to ask to join as it is a closed group.
Far more palms grow in Atlanta and Dallas than in Utrecht. I was in Utrecht in April of 2006 after being in Amsterdam for the Queen's birthday celebration. I didn't see a palm tree in sight. Same trees as here.
Lol you wanna bet there are palms in Atlanta and Dallas as well. The thing is when they do get very cold there, it usually recovers quite fast. Also, the average temps are much warmer than a place like Locarno or Copenhagen lol. You need to go on some other forums and tell people in Atlanta there are no palms there. I know people growing them.
Palm Trees DO grow in Atlanta, but they're not as prevalent as you're making them out to be, and quite frankly look way out of place there.
You won't see a palm tree in sight in the surrounding suburbs and countryside either.
And the same happens in marginal areas in Europe. Feb 2012 in Locarno down to 3F. No way Robusta and CIDP survived that along with 6 straight days below freezing. Same thing happened in Toulouse in 2012.
And palms died in the UK in December 2010 with those frigid temps there. And you wanna bet loads of palms died in Europe in the 1980's. Palms died in Madrid in Feb 2012 as well as Rome.
As has been told to me on this very forum, Europe gets crazy cold as well, just maybe not as often. And all it takes to kill palms is one crazy cold winter.
You are referring to Locarno-Magadino airport which is a notable cold spot, like many italian airport too. Palm trees live very well in Locarno, thanks to its mild climate.
And the same happens in marginal areas in Europe. Feb 2012 in Locarno down to 3F. No way Robusta and CIDP survived that along with 6 straight days below freezing. Same thing happened in Toulouse in 2012.
And palms died in the UK in December 2010 with those frigid temps there. And you wanna bet loads of palms died in Europe in the 1980's. Palms died in Madrid in Feb 2012 as well as Rome.
As has been told to me on this very forum, Europe gets crazy cold as well, just maybe not as often. And all it takes to kill palms is one crazy cold winter.
But the difference is in those areas you mentioned, even the UK, the hardiest species of palms didn't die, only more tender or marginal species. Trachycarpus fortunei is completely hardy in most of the UK, so you will see many examples of mature specimens decades old...
The same cannot be said for NY, Philly & DC, no palms are hardy there at all...
Palm Trees DO grow in Atlanta, but they're not as prevalent as you're making them out to be, and quite frankly look way out of place there.
You won't see a palm tree in sight in the surrounding suburbs and countryside either.
Not too far south of Atlanta there are several palm species native.
I'm just telling it based on what I have seen on numerous forums, and there are people growing more and more palms in both Atlanta and Dallas now than ever before.
There is no palm tree growing culture in Atlanta like there seems to be in every single European city no matter how cold. They are far more experimental with palms than Americans and Canadians. They find any tiny warm urban micro climate and plop a subtropical there it seems. Budapest even and it can get very cold there as well.
Vancouver could grow far more palms than some of these marginal places in Europe like in Austra where they go down below zero F yet they keep planting them over there. Americans and it seems Canadians can't be bothered.
Go look up Locarno on streetview and you won't see a palm tree anywhere except for maybe a windmill palm up against a south facing wall. To compare a place like Lucarno to North Florida is just silly. So what it doesn't go below 20F in an average winter. It barely goes above 40F day after day all winter long. No comparison to a place in North FL with an average winter high over 65F and citrus trees full of lemons and oranges. I was in far north FL (panhandle) in February and a gardener let me pick a delicious orange and lemon right off backyard trees. I'm sure that happens all the time in Lucarno lol.
You are referring to Locarno-Magadino airport which is a notable cold spot, like many italian airport too. Palm trees live very well in Locarno, thanks to its mild climate.
So here we have 6 solid days below freezing. That would be quite incredible if Robusta or CIDP easily handled almost a week below freezing and low temps down that far below freezing. They were protected or they died I would think. 95% of very tall washies were killed in southern US in the 1980's with temps down to 10-12F and all days above freezing. It is not just the low but also the duration.
And the other Lucarno weather station less than 5 miles away
Feb 1st -.6/-8.4
-.1/-2.5
-.5/-9.7
-.2/-15.4
-1.9/-16.1
1.6/-15.9
Again well over a hundred hours below freezing, with a low of 3F, sorry but there is no way a robusta survives that. Loads and loads of roubsta were killed in the southern US with a low temp of 10-12F in the 1980's. I doubt very much they survived in Locarno unless they were protected. Anyone growing subtropicals like palms knows that it is always just about the low temp, but about duration below freezing as well. Consecutive freezing days like shown above kills palms like Robusta outright.
And they do protect palms there as stated on this forum:
I could never locate the person who looks after the garden in Montreux but talked to the garden keeper in Locarno and he told me they tarped their large C. revolutas when temps dropped below -5C (23F). The Brahea armata on the pic is not the only Brahea armata in that area and they also have several Large Jubaeas as well as large Butias on a nearby island (and many other interesting things).
Brahea Armata, Jubaeas and butias are known as cold hardy palms and certainly hardier than CIDP and Robusta. And Sago palms are far hadier than either CIDP or Robusta. So if they have to protect Sago, then they protect CIDP and Robusta.
Show me pics of towering CIDP and Robusta there post Feb 2012.
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