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hmm would you consider all of Oregon and Washington as part of the "PNW" because just about 100 miles inland from Portland and Seattle you would get average high temps in the summer that would be difficult for many parts Mediterranean Europe to reach
They still have cool nights and cold winters. I'd take milder year round.
Portland has a lower average mean than most of Italian cities at the same latitude (Milan, Venice, Udine, Verona, Treviso and many other). Also in Northern Italy summers are notably warmer than Portland.
By around 1F (.6C). Hardly significant at all. I would call that "barely warmer" on an annual basis.
By around 1F (.6C). Hardly significant at all. I would call that "barely warmer" on an annual basis.
Just because you consider older averages for Italian cities. In fact, while Portland has an average of 12.5°C for 1981-2010, in the same period Milan has an average of 13.8°C, so 1.3°C warmer and not barely. The Po Valley is warmer than Oregon .
Lugano, Switzerland at 46°N has the same annual averages of Portland.
Just because you consider older averages for Italian cities. In fact, while Portland has an average of 12.5°C for 1981-2010, in the same period Milan has an average of 13.8°C, so 1.3°C warmer and not barely. The Po Valley is warmer than Oregon .
Lugano, Switzerland at 46°N has the same annual averages of Portland.
I still don't think an annual mean differnce of 2.3F is all that significant. The annual mean differnce between London and Paris is 2F. I doubt many people think of Paris climate as that drastically different or warmer than London.
No kidding a valley at sea level is warmer than 1,000 to 3,000 ft in elevation across Oregon. La Grande Oregon is at an elevation of 2,700ft and its in a valley. Once you cross over the Cascades east of Portland the elevations are much higher than the Po Valley.
What happens when you move east or west away from that area directly south of the Alps (Po Valley and coastal Croatia)? Limoges, Lyon, Bucharest, Zagreb, etc. They aren't warmer than Portland on an annual basis. Limoges and Lyon are pretty much the same as Portland and Zagreb, Bucharest are colder on the annual mean. Bucharest is actually lower in latitude.
You really have a hard time admitting anywhere in the US is warmer than Europe don't you.
I still don't think an annual mean differnce of 2.3F is all that significant. The annual mean differnce between London and Paris is 2F. I doubt many people think of Paris climate as that drastically different or warmer than London.
No kidding a valley at sea level is warmer than 1,000 to 3,000 ft in elevation across Oregon. La Grande Oregon is at an elevation of 2,700ft and its in a valley. Once you cross over the Cascades east of Portland the elevations are much higher than the Po Valley.
What happens when you move east or west away from that area directly south of the Alps (Po Valley and coastal Croatia)? Limoges, Lyon, Bucharest, Zagreb, etc. They aren't warmer than Portland on an annual basis. Limoges and Lyon are pretty much the same as Portland and Zagreb, Bucharest are colder on the annual mean. Bucharest is actually lower in latitude.
You really have a hard time admitting anywhere in the US is warmer than Europe don't you.
I was talking only about Northern Italy. Not all Europe has the same features, Eastern Europe is obviously cool.
However Courmayeur, Italy is warmer than La Grande and it is located at 1200 m/4000 feet in Aosta Valley.
And summer averages in Lyon and Limoges are about 1C warmer than Portland. Only Milan is significantly warmer in summer. Question is, do you feel the climates in Lyon and Limoges and Milan (winter colder than Portland) are crap as well? If not, I'd be curious as to why. Their climates don't seem that different apart from summer thunderstorms maybe. I thought you like Med type dry and sunny summers?
The winters at pretty much every location in Europe on the latitude of Portland are colder.
I do like med climates, but Portland has colder winters than European med climates, and the lows are too cool year round, especially in summer. PNW has nice summers, but for me the winters are too bad everywhere north of California on the west coast
Better match for Portland is France at the same latitude (away from the Mediterranean). Bordeaux maybe, or Lyon? This comparison was done a while back, especially looking at hot temperature frequency.
Portland is rather similar in how often hot temperatures occur, with Lyon a bit higher. Italy (and Mediterranean France) is just hot for its latitude, almost nowhere will compare well heat-wise to Italy at the same latitudes, besides the east coast of Spain and maybe Greece, a few interior spots in California also do.
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