General Chat Thread (climate, hot, storms, cities)
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Yeah but theres not much there in terms of money and amenities
Minnesota is quite a bit richer than Florida. No idea what you consider amenities. Rich areas of Florida tend to show off their wealth more than Minnesota or say, Massachusetts.
What evidence do you have for these problems being caused solely by immigrants? And you don't think people thought the same thing when Polish, Irish, German, Italian, etc immigrants were coming here in the late 1800s? We seem to be doing just fine now.
Mass immigration of low-skilled workers tends to depress wages. Some of it is work Americans don't want to do, other times it's because Americans don't want to work for the low wages and long hours that companies would like, jobs were filled by non-immigrants previously. How came native-born American compete with Central American workers who are fine with working 80 hours a week, sending most their pay back home and living in overcrowded conditions? Reposting:
I remember at a party in Boston, one guy mentioned his ancestors left a Boston neighborhood because of the low-class Irish people moving in. Know a friend whose grandmother must have been one of them (she owned a house in that neighborhood).
And I'm not anti-diversity, but a neighborhood that's become entirely immigrant isn't really one I'd like to live in, wouldn't really feel like home. I had a friend who lived in a mostly hispanic neighborhood of NYC, besides the general culture of the shops were obviously not oriented to Americans (he wasn't a hipster, but a few coffeeshops and bars would be nice; and more than two non-chain restaurants that weren't geared to hispanics) he got tired of the feeling the shopkeepers were bothered of having to switch languages to English. He's not anti-immigration but eventually he moved.
But it's obviously not zero-sum, new immigrants add to the economy in a trivial sense as they increase production and consumption of goods. And skilled ones are clearly a net gain; if they weren't that'd mean any population growth was a negative.
Interestingly, Bernie Sanders called open borders the end of nation states as well and he's obviously on the left.
Skilled ones shouldn't be here either. They are doing the same thing, but to higher skilled American workers. Companies push for more visa allowances so that they can decrease costs. They do not benefit Americans.
I'd disallow all immigration except for small numbers from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK/Ireland, and a select few from continental Europe.
We don't need any more people in this country at this point. It's overpopulated as it is. Ideally, immigration gains would equal emigration losses. The ones who come here should obviously be able to blend right in and shouldn't be an economic burden. We have absolutely no use anyone else.
I'd disallow all immigration except for small numbers from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK/Ireland, and a select few from continental Europe.
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