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Old 08-07-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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What if he turns out to be the Republican Ross Perot and runs as an Independent if he doesn't get nominated? Would you still love him then when he hands the collection over to Hillary?
Another thought on this matter. The RNC obviously does not like Trump. But Trump has shown he's got quite a bit of power over them. He's their best shot. By threatening to go third party, they should surely realize they'd better stick with him and support him! Otherwise, they have no chance to win. Otherwise, it would be a Democrat, probably Hillary, who becomes to next president.

Trump is a shrewd businessman. I do think this has occurred to him and he's playing his cards very wisely!

 
Old 08-07-2015, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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I find it scary how right wing even the Democats are in the US, they have no real 'left option' and the Democrats are more right wing than The Conservatives in the UK

I didn't watch that debate, but a part of it came on the News, and really it is just scary how many Americans will vote for that nonsense.. one of them was talking about God and religon as an important aspect of politics, and another guy who was extremely sexist... that would never be accepted over here!
So you think Bernie Sanders is "Right Wing"? Just because you were raised in a socialist country doesn't mean you have the right to impose judgement on American politics. Need I remind you that the U.S has the strongest economy in the world?

Bernie is a complete socialist! Do you deny that? He would do nothing but harm out country and you claim it's because he's "Right wing"?
 
Old 08-07-2015, 05:24 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I am in favor of socialism, albeit in the form of right-wing populism.
 
Old 08-07-2015, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
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Bernie sanders would probably be left-wing for British standards, maybe even within the Labour Party. Remember the republican debates wars aimed at a particularly conservative part of the electorate. And Trump is trump, the party leaders don't like him
Yeah, I'm not too educated on the American system or any of your potential candidates bar Trump and Clinton, so I can't really comment.. but from what I've seen it seems very conservative..

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So you think Bernie Sanders is "Right Wing"? Just because you were raised in a socialist country doesn't mean you have the right to impose judgement on American politics. Need I remind you that the U.S has the strongest economy in the world?
Tbh I have never heard of Bernie Sanders, I only saw clippings of what was said, and that's the impression I got..

The UK is not even close to being socialist. We are currently being run by a government that is right wing by our standards, and a lot of people are not happy about that. Clearly the mindset of our countries is very different, and things work differently for different countries, but in all honesty I have to say that I think we have it better over in Europe politics wise..
 
Old 08-07-2015, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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So you think Bernie Sanders is "Right Wing"? Just because you were raised in a socialist country doesn't mean you have the right to impose judgement on American politics. Need I remind you that the U.S has the strongest economy in the world?

Bernie is a complete socialist! Do you deny that? He would do nothing but harm out country and you claim it's because he's "Right wing"?
No it doesn't - countless emerging economies are growing at a much faster rate, and even if you exclude them, growth figures are not important for assessing the health of an economy - well, not the most important factor in my opinion. I don't think the US economy is healthier than Germany's or Norway's even though it's growing faster. Germany has a better-balanced, export-orientated economy while Norway has oil.

And I took a US Election 2016 quiz and I agreed with Bernie Sanders 95% of the time. Shame that he has no chance of becoming US president cos socialism.
 
Old 08-07-2015, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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When you understand the direction this country took and the path its on, you'll understand why we dont need a typical politician and need someone who is firm and not scared to get things done without being politically correct.

This country used to be great now we have illegals roaming around stealing jobs and our money. Taxes and insurance have gone up while pay remains the same.. Our government pays for the poor but wants to tax the hard workers more.

And FYI.. if it wasnt for Trump bringing it up, illegal immigration wouldnt be a big topic. He hit a nerve and he see's the issue of this country.

Makes me sick to think all the other democrats and repulicans I voted for in the past were all the same.. BSers
 
Old 08-07-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
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When you understand the direction this country took and the path its on, you'll understand why we dont need a typical politician and need someone who is firm and not scared to get things done without being politically correct.

This country used to be great now we have illegals roaming around stealing jobs and our money. Taxes and insurance have gone up while pay remains the same.. Our government pays for the poor but wants to tax the hard workers more.

And FYI.. if it wasnt for Trump bringing it up, illegal immigration wouldnt be a big topic. He hit a nerve and he see's the issue of this country.

Makes me sick to think all the other democrats and repulicans I voted for in the past were all the same.. BSers
That's where I disagree.. people in low paid jobs often work very hard, much more strenuously than higher paid earners. I think it's fair that the more you earn, the more you contribute.. often people are born into poorer backgrounds and therefore will never have access to higher paid jobs as that is just the way it is. As a young student, I've worked in low pay jobs (minmum wage) and let me tell you now, people work 9 hour days, doing physical work for little or no pay.. that's not fair.

I agree that we are becoming a bit too much of a 'nanny state' and help should only be given to those that really need it, but a proper welfare system is 100% necessary.

As for immigrants 'stealing' jobs.. well I don't think that's true at all. Immigration has certainly helped the US.
 
Old 08-07-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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That's where I disagree.. people in low paid jobs often work very hard, much more strenuously than higher paid earners. I think it's fair that the more you earn, the more you contribute.. often people are born into poorer backgrounds and therefore will never have access to higher paid jobs as that is just the way it is. As a young student, I've worked in low pay jobs (minmum wage) and let me tell you now, people work 9 hour days, doing physical work for little or no pay.. that's not fair.

I agree that we are becoming a bit too much of a 'nanny state' and help should only be given to those that really need it, but a proper welfare system is 100% necessary.

As for immigrants 'stealing' jobs.. well I don't think that's true at all. Immigration has certainly helped the US.
I love this rhetoric from the right that foreigners are "stealing" jobs. In the illegals' case, who is it called stealing when US citizens and permanent residents don't want to work in those jobs for low pay? If we did, we'd see more Americans working there but we don't. The only class of foreigners that actually come close to the definition of stealing jobs are lower tier IT workers from India on H1B visas that displace American IT workers
 
Old 08-07-2015, 06:18 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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I love this rhetoric from the right that foreigners are "stealing" jobs. In the illegals' case, who is it called stealing when US citizens and permanent residents don't want to work in those jobs for low pay? If we did, we'd see more Americans working there but we don't.
Supply and demand. If there are more workers willing to work for low wages, employers can pay lower wages. Is it Americans don't work those jobs at all, or that they don't want to work those jobs at the pay and conditions offered? Sometimes it is the first, many times the latter. There are a number of industries that went very quickly from non-immigrant to immigrant labor.
 
Old 08-07-2015, 06:26 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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Immigration has certainly helped the US.
In absolutely no way is this true. Not culturally and not economically. The low wage immigrants drive down wages and working conditions while taking jobs. The higher-paid ones take jobs as well. There's a reason the globalists and elites wholeheartedly support massive third world immigration. It helps them, not real Americans!
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