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Old 08-30-2015, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Do most big cities or a metropolis, suffer from warmer temperatures than nearby rural areas? Or is it just particular ones, for a reason?

What is the direct cause of a big city being warmer in the summer, sometimes as much as a 15F difference between the metropolis and rural areas?

Are there any large cities that don't suffer from much higher average temperatures than its rural neighbors?
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Old 08-30-2015, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Buildings, concretes, cars, high population density, etc tends to hold in heat better than rural areas, particularly on clear nights. When I lived in North GA, I lived in a town 50 miles north of Atlanta in a rural area. On clear nights, sometimes it would be as much as 10-15 F cooler than it was in Downtown. A more normal difference is about 5-8 F cooler though.

To answer your question, no. You won't find a large city that doesn't have a UHI effect.
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Old 09-01-2015, 03:56 AM
 
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So having a big, urban city with lots of residents, alone, somehow contributes to global warming?
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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So having a big, urban city with lots of residents, alone, somehow contributes to global warming?
It contributes to warmer nighttime temps. I would assume the fact that there's far more urban areas now than there was 50 years ago could be a contributor to seeing warmer temps globally. Not the only contributor though.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:14 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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Buildings, concretes, cars, high population density, etc tends to hold in heat better than rural areas, particularly on clear nights. When I lived in North GA, I lived in a town 50 miles north of Atlanta in a rural area. On clear nights, sometimes it would be as much as 10-15 F cooler than it was in Downtown. A more normal difference is about 5-8 F cooler though.

To answer your question, no. You won't find a large city that doesn't have a UHI effect.
being 50 miles north of Atlanta, you were probably at a higher elevation + you know, being further north... might have accounted for some of that difference...
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Old 09-01-2015, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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being 50 miles north of Atlanta, you were probably at a higher elevation + you know, being further north... might have accounted for some of that difference...
The difference was noticeable anywhere in the rural areas around Atlanta though. I lived 30 miles south of Atlanta as well (in Henry Co.) and it was 5 F cooler on most nights as well. Atlanta definitely has a big UHI effect.

Where I lived north of Atlanta was only 150 ft higher in elevation, where I lived south of Atlanta was about 100 ft lower. Elevation or latitude wasn't the difference.
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Old 09-01-2015, 11:33 PM
 
Location: MD
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Speaking of UHI, check out some of the major nighttime differences between some of the places in or near the NYC metro area:


Here's LaGuardia (LGA), right in the middle of all the concrete and strongly affected by UHI:

https://weatherspark.com/history/307...-United-States




Next, here's Westhampton (FOK), 60 miles to the east and not affected by UHI. Notice how it appears that all of the lows are shifted 10F down from the previous graph, while highs remain the same. Also notice how the first freeze occurs more than a month earlier than LaGuardia and similarly the last freeze occurs more than a month later.

https://weatherspark.com/history/302...-United-States




Here's Danbury CT (DXR), approximately 75 miles NE of the city and not very affected by UHI. It's similar to Westhampton, although it's a bit inland.

https://weatherspark.com/history/301...-United-States

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Old 09-02-2015, 01:43 AM
 
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What if the big city had a very low population density and was very spacious? Would that make it less likely to have warmer nighttime temps?
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Old 09-02-2015, 02:55 AM
 
Location: MD
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What if the big city had a very low population density and was very spacious? Would that make it less likely to have warmer nighttime temps?
Maybe a little but it would still depend on the extent of the development and the amount of concrete vs soil.

If you really want to eliminate UHI, then just introduce some wind into the climate in question. High winds always uniformize the temperatures in a given area. Therefore UHI is only prominent on windless nights with low cloud cover.
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Old 09-02-2015, 10:28 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine, Florida
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The difference was noticeable anywhere in the rural areas around Atlanta though. I lived 30 miles south of Atlanta as well (in Henry Co.) and it was 5 F cooler on most nights as well. Atlanta definitely has a big UHI effect.

Where I lived north of Atlanta was only 150 ft higher in elevation, where I lived south of Atlanta was about 100 ft lower. Elevation or latitude wasn't the difference.
i understand what you are saying, and Atlanta is a great example of UHI, but elevation does make a difference. along with other variables could take up as much as 20-30% of the difference...

-200 ft, +1°F...
+200 ft, -1°F...
50 miles north, -2°F...
30 miles south, +1°F.

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