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Personally, I think of Brisbane and London as the typical climates for those classifications.
I usually think of somewhere in coastal NW spain as the typical oceanic climate. Brisbane seems typical subtropical though. Atlanta doesn't really look like I imagine subtropical climates to look.
I think it comes down to the terminology used in different parts of the world. For Australians, "subtropical" means the almost-tropical-places further north in the country. But to put it in perspective, calling Sydney "oceanic" would put it in the same climate zone as Sitka, Alaska.
I usually think of somewhere in coastal NW spain as the typical oceanic climate. Brisbane seems typical subtropical though. Atlanta doesn't really look like I imagine subtropical climates to look.
Subtropical climates don't all look the same. Mediterranean climates are subtropical as well, but they have a completely different look for instance.
But to put it in perspective, calling Sydney "oceanic" would put it in the same climate zone as Sitka, Alaska.
yes but oceanic doesn't mean hot or cold. oceanic means influenced by the ocean. Sitka, Alaska and Sydney, AU are both heavily influenced by the ocean. that is the only characteristic that they share in common, but it also happens to be a big factor in shaping their climates.
Ocean moderated humid subtropical;it's like coastal Southern California temperature-wise (ocean moderates to prevent cold snaps and it's also capable of anomalous summer heat waves due to dry off shore winds) but with humid subtropical rainfall patterns.
it's like coastal Southern California temperature-wise (ocean moderates to prevent cold snaps and it's also capable of anomalous summer heat waves due to dry off shore winds) but with humid subtropical rainfall patterns.
well not exactly.
AU doesn't have cold snaps because there is no large land mass connected with the antarctic. AU has heat waves because the land mass of AU is hot and dry for the most part, so as you said in situations with off shore wind causes the dry air to reach coastal areas, just like Santa Ana in California.
now imagine Sydney without the ocean sitting right next to it. it would be dry and hot. no one would dare call it "humid subtropical". so it boggles my mind why someone would be so adamant that Sydney is not Oceanic.
you can see big differences just by comparing various suburbs of Sydney. go a few miles inland: hotter days, cooler nights, and less rain. go even further inland in the far western suburbs and i would hesitate calling it "humid"... borders semi-arid classification...
yes but oceanic doesn't mean hot or cold. oceanic means influenced by the ocean. Sitka, Alaska and Sydney, AU are both heavily influenced by the ocean. that is the only characteristic that they share in common, but it also happens to be a big factor in shaping their climates.
The OP muddied the waters a little, by using Cfb and Oceanic in the same question. While Cfb climates are Oceanic, Oceanic climates aren't necessarily Cfb.
Sydney can be described as having an Oceanic influences, but is in no way Cfb.
yes but oceanic doesn't mean hot or cold. oceanic means influenced by the ocean. Sitka, Alaska and Sydney, AU are both heavily influenced by the ocean. that is the only characteristic that they share in common, but it also happens to be a big factor in shaping their climates.
I think Oceanic climates are not only heavily influenced by the climate. If that were the only criteria then Los Angeles and Casablanca would be Oceanic. I think of Oceanic climates as temperate. Rarely extremely cold, rarely extremely hot. Rainfall evenly distributed. Generally cloudy and mild and often rainy. Almost all Oceanic climates are found poleward of the 40th parallel, and usually on west coasts of contintents. All just IMO of course.
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