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Okay so is San Francisco a Mediterranean climate to you? Anywhere on the Pacific coast of California north of Big Sur?
I've had to look up SF climate stats and unlike Victoria it seems to have Med level sunshine hours (over 3000) and unlike Victoria it has Med Winter warmth (Winter highs around 15 Deg lows around 8 Deg) so a lot closer than Victoria for sure but it looks a bit bloody cold there in the Summer months! If it was 7 or 8 Degrees warmer in the Summer it could easily fit in to the Med. But there again if Victoria was Sunnier, had MUCH warmer Summer highs, warmer Summer lows, Warmer winter highs and warmer winter lows then Victoria would have a Med type climate too! But there again if my Aunty had bollox she would be my Uncle :-).
When I next book a Med break instead of Cyprus I'm going to go to Victoria instead! Only I'll pack jumpers, scarfs and gloves instead of my shorts and vest tops! :-D
Cyprus isn't a Csb climate, so not sure why are bringing it up, nobody is making the argument that Victoria is Csa (subtropical Mediteranean). Victoria should be compared to other Csb climates such as say Porto in northern Portugal. Victoria is definitely much cooler and gloomier, but the precipitation pattern matches much better than with Southampton.
I've had to look up SF climate stats and unlike Victoria it seems to have Med level sunshine hours (over 3000) and unlike Victoria it has Med Winter warmth (Winter highs around 15 Deg lows around 8 Deg) so a lot closer than Victoria for sure but it looks a bit bloody cold there in the Summer months! If it was 7 or 8 Degrees warmer in the Summer it could easily fit in to the Med. But there again if Victoria was Sunnier, had MUCH warmer Summer highs, warmer Summer lows, Warmer winter highs and warmer winter lows then Victoria would have a Med type climate too! But there again if my Aunty had bollox she would be my Uncle :-).
Those San Francisco sunshine hours are likely overstated--or at the very least not directly comparable to the rest of the world. But the main point is not total sunshine hours but its seasonal distribution.
Cyprus isn't a Csb climate, so not sure why are bringing it up, nobody is making the argument that Victoria is Csa (subtropical Mediteranean). Victoria should be compared to other Csb climates such as say Porto in northern Portugal. Victoria is definitely much cooler and gloomier, but the precipitation pattern matches much better than with Southampton.
* Not sure where Weather Spark is getting their Victoria weather data, they're are making it much wetter than it is, but the pattern still holds.
Porto isn't on the Med. It's influence is from the Atlantic it has the moderating effect of the ocean. Besides its still a lot warmer both Summer and Winter and Sunnier than Victoria! If you want a Portugese Med climate you have to look at the Algarve, Faro perhaps? It's the same with Bilbao in Spain or Bordeaux in France, Atlantic influence - not Med climates, the thing is Med climates are influenced by the Mediterranean sea, there is a reason why Bilbao has different weather patterns to Malaga or Bordeaux compared to Nice.
Porto isn't on the Med. It's influence is from the Atlantic it has the moderating effect of the ocean. Besides its still a lot warmer both Summer and Winter and Sunnier than Victoria! If you want a Portugese Med climate you have to look at the Algarve, Faro perhaps? It's the same with Bilbao in Spain or Bordeaux in France, Atlantic influence - not Med climates, the thing is Med climates are influenced by the Mediterranean sea, there is a reason why Bilbao has different weather patterns to Malaga or Bordeaux compared to Nice.
Plenty of true mediterranean climates are moderated in temperature by the ocean. E.g. in coastal California, Chile and South Africa. They include many or most with the strongest winter rainfall bias, up to 80 or maybe even 90% in the winter half of the year.
Plenty of true mediterranean climates are moderated in temperature by the ocean. E.g. in coastal California, Chile and South Africa. They include many or most with the strongest winter rainfall bias, up to 80 or maybe even 90% in the winter half of the year.
Parts of California have a Med like climate despite the Pacific not because of it, obviously parts of California do have a Med TYPE climate but that's because the sunshine hours, the Summer temps and Winter temps and rainfall are all 'like' they are in the Med, this isn't the case with Victoria.
Porto isn't on the Med. It's influence is from the Atlantic it has the moderating effect of the ocean. Besides its still a lot warmer both Summer and Winter and Sunnier than Victoria! If you want a Portugese Med climate you have to look at the Algarve, Faro perhaps? It's the same with Bilbao in Spain or Bordeaux in France, Atlantic influence - not Med climates, the thing is Med climates are influenced by the Mediterranean sea, there is a reason why Bilbao has different weather patterns to Malaga or Bordeaux compared to Nice.
You completely fail to understand what the term "Mediterranean climate" means. I suggest you stop using the term completely and instead use the term "temperate dry-summer climate".
It turns out in fact that among temperate dry-summer climates, the climate of Mediterranean region is the exception not the rule. See for example this paper:
The Mediterranean region itself is actually unique in that winter precipitation occurs primarily within the Mediterranean storm track, which is distinct from the North Atlantic storm track, and the summer subsidence is east of the North Atlantic subtropical high and more related to a forced response to Asian monsoon heating. Only the climates of Portugal and Morocco are strictly analogous in climate dynamical context to the four other Mediterranean-type climates.
The influence of the Atlantic Ocean on the climate of Porto (and, indeed, the influence of the Pacific Ocean on the climate of Victoria) is actually part of the defining characteristics of the climates and makes the climates more temperate dry-summer (aka Mediterranean) not less.
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