How warmer Earth should be for palms to grow in Moscow without protection in winter? (ice, global warming)

[Coniferous_Palm]

Miocene seems to have palms at the latitude of Moscow. If future global warming continues, how much Earth must warm up to have palms (at least Trachycarpus) grow in Moscow without any protection?

[B87]

Moscow's winter mean would need to increase by 8-9c, just to give Trachycarpus a 50/50 chance of surviving.

[Isleofpalms85]

The earth would have to be substantially warmer than present in order for Any palm trees to stand a chance of surviving Moscow’s winters.

[deneb78]

Let's imagine Eurasia moved 20 degrees further south. That should do the trick

Realistically though about 10C warmer in winter for Moscow.

[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by Isleofpalms85

The earth would have to be substantially warmer than present in order for Any palm trees to stand a chance of surviving Moscow’s winters.

Around 1200 years from now maybe a coconut can make it there.

[Isleofpalms85]

Originally Posted by LKJ1988

Around 1200 years from now maybe a coconut can make it there.

Even if that does come to fruition I don’t think anyone will be around then to see such a thing

[1AngryTaxPayer]

We are coming out of an ice age but it's going to be a while. Maybe 20 million years.

[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by Isleofpalms85

Even if that does come to fruition I don’t think anyone will be around then to see such a thing

No one will be around at that time.

[Bisfbath]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

We are coming out of an ice age but it's going to be a while. Maybe 20 million years.

No, we are not coming out of an ice age. Excluding the rapid warming since the mid 20th century, the Holocene's peak warmth was between about eight thousand and three thousand years ago, followed by a slow cooling until a rapid reversal by the industrial revolution. So it would be more accurate to say the Earth came out of the last glacial period from about twenty thousand years ago to about eight thousand years ago.

[Gorgonopian]

Originally Posted by LKJ1988

Around 1200 years from now maybe a coconut can make it there.

We need an Eocene-like Earth then to get tropical Moscow (if you don't mean this Moscow of course ). And such an extreme warming seems unlikely in closest 20-30 million years - we're not in Paleocene.