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Old 09-13-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I agree, obviously we had periods of cold like in the 80s but none were as long and brutal as 1960-1989. No other period can compare. Sure there were a lot of individual years though that were cold, but not an entire 30 year period. what do you think about those pals I posted? I was shocked to find these.

Protected little pockets of warmth, not representative of the overall palm growing capability of the region if you ask me.

 
Old 09-13-2016, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Il
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Protected little pockets of warmth, not representative of the overall palm growing capability of the region if you ask me.
You mentioned broadleaf evergreens in China that have similar averages as Raleigh. Do you know what the names of the broadleaf evergreens are that you are referring to? If any are zone 8b hardy or warmer?
 
Old 09-13-2016, 08:54 AM
 
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You mentioned broadleaf evergreens in China that have similar averages as Raleigh. Do you know what the names of the broadleaf evergreens are that you are referring to? If any are zone 8b hardy or warmer?

just google pics of Changsha, China in winter. For one thing they had loads of Phoenix sylvestri in one pic I posted. They will not grow one winter in Raleigh. If they somehow survive one winter, then the next will kill them.

China has scads of broadleaf evergreens. Far more native broadleaf evergreens there than the Southeast US. Just look them up. Every single Camellia Southerners love like their own come from China and Japan. Every single evergreen Azaela comes from East Asia, and particularly the group southerners love again the most the Indica Azealas. The native Gulf Coast Azelas in the Southeast are deciduous. Seriously, given the climate averages, the southern US is really rather broadleaf evergreen poor.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Il
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just google pics of Changsha, China in winter. For one thing they had loads of Phoenix sylvestri in one pic I posted. They will not grow one winter in Raleigh. If they somehow survive one winter, then the next will kill them.

China has scads of broadleaf evergreens. Far more native broadleaf evergreens there than the Southeast US. Just look them up. Every single Camellia Southerners love like their own come from China and Japan. Every single evergreen Azaela comes from East Asia, and particularly the group southerners love again the most the Indica Azealas. The native Gulf Coast Azelas in the Southeast are deciduous. Seriously, given the climate averages, the southern US is really rather broadleaf evergreen poor.

That's true a Date Palm wouldn't survive long in Raleigh. Thanks for the info.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 09:41 AM
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Location: Surrey/London
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I don't think a true date palm (dactylifera) would survive here because the winter is too humid.

The CIDP likes humidity though and that thrives here.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: New York
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I actually just got a P. dactylifera (Medjool) seed to sprout, just waiting for it to come up now.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I don't think a true date palm (dactylifera) would survive here because the winter is too humid.

The CIDP likes humidity though and that thrives here.
Humidity alone shouldn't be a problem, as there is the odd one growing around here.

Might be humidity, cool temperatures and lack of sun.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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Lots of Phoenix dactylifera used in landscaping in the Deep South, including Houston and even Miami.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 12:32 PM
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Humidity alone shouldn't be a problem, as there is the odd one growing around here.

Might be humidity, cool temperatures and lack of sun.
Phoenix dactylifera can take lower temps than canariensis, yet canariensis thrives in our climate while dactylifera will struggle.
 
Old 09-13-2016, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Phoenix dactylifera can take lower temps than canariensis, yet canariensis thrives in our climate while dactylifera will struggle.
Yep, likely the combination of humidity and cold, along with low sun hours.

Mi area gets similar cold most years, and is also humid, but also gets enough sun and warm to keep the ground dryish
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