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Originally Posted by tom77falcons
This is what the palms will look like on the Gulf Coast of Alabama if we have another 2014 winter. I took these in April of 2014. I hate to see palms go thru this, but such is life in a marginal subtropical climate subject to 14F at 30 degrees north latitude, Jan avg temps of 60/40F, and sea level.
Hopefully, 2014 was a fluke, and that winters usually have long, more stable/mild periods.
The South is the worst for low latitude and sea level "average" warm winters with extreme deviations in winter. It is not just the record lows, it is the annual winter lowest temp. 14F is not Mobile AL record low. That would be 3F lol. Pathetic.
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Nope, actually looks ratty and very similar to sabal palmetto. Compare "lisa" to a robusta and you will see what I mean. Lisa has same dull finish and dull green color, and does not have a nice wide palmate leaf. I'm sure you know "palmate" means like the palm of a hand with fingers extending out. A robusta leaf has a big ol palm and then the droopy glossy shiny green fingers. Lisa or sabal palmetto has the dull lighter green fronds with a costapalmate type leaf. I like sabal bermudana due to the immense and open wide spreading crown. I dislike the very dense smallish "lollipop" crown on sabal palmetto.
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Originally Posted by Inphosphere
Hopefully, 2014 was a fluke, and that winters usually have long, more stable/mild periods.
Go back thru the record and you will see back to back or even more than back to back very low out of zone winters on the Gulf Coast. And in the 80's forget about it.
They had a one year break now back to a 2014 type winter that quick. We are now in an extended cold period and the 10-15 year cold PDO (warm eastern US) run is over.
Sabal palmetto would still survive those temps. They can take about 3 consecutive days or more below freezing and can take temps below 10 F maybe 0F or colder. I'd say they are bullet proof on the Gulf coast of AL.
Then why does Sabal Palmetto not survive here? Vancouver is 8b even 9a in certain microclimates and they are nowhere to be found. Obviously lack of summer heat plays a big role.
Then why does Sabal Palmetto not survive here? Vancouver is 8b even 9a in certain microclimates and they are nowhere to be found. Obviously lack of summer heat plays a big role.
Summer won't be the problem, as Sabal minor and palmetto grow here with cooler summers. I think Vancouver has too long a period of non-growth - it has 7 months with maximums as cold or colder than the coldest month here. Sabals wouldn't grow here either with those temperatures.
Nope, actually looks ratty and very similar to sabal palmetto. Compare "lisa" to a robusta and you will see what I mean. Lisa has same dull finish and dull green color, and does not have a nice wide palmate leaf. I'm sure you know "palmate" means like the palm of a hand with fingers extending out. A robusta leaf has a big ol palm and then the droopy glossy shiny green fingers. Lisa or sabal palmetto has the dull lighter green fronds with a costapalmate type leaf. I like sabal bermudana due to the immense and open wide spreading crown. I dislike the very dense smallish "lollipop" crown on sabal palmetto.
'Lisa' has costapalmate leaves (as does the normal one). It is the same as palmate, just that there is a central 'rib' running through the leaf.
Both Sabal palmetto and Sabal lisa can have droopy leaves with wide crowns; look at them in the wild, not in landscaped settings, where people trim them too much.
And, honestly, the Washingtonia can be quite ugly if the 'skirt' is too long.
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Originally Posted by tom77falcons
Go back thru the record and you will see back to back or even more than back to back very low out of zone winters on the Gulf Coast. And in the 80's forget about it.
They had a one year break now back to a 2014 type winter that quick. We are now in an extended cold period and the 10-15 year cold PDO (warm eastern US) run is over.
Then why does Sabal Palmetto not survive here? Vancouver is 8b even 9a in certain microclimates and they are nowhere to be found. Obviously lack of summer heat plays a big role.
Yep
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