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Old 06-07-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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Coconut Growing Farthest From Equator - DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE - PalmTalk

Junter ,the dream is dead .

Spain too cold ,too wet ....

It will always be Madeira or California

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index....cifera/&page=1

Azores are def out of the question lol

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Old 06-07-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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Coconut Growing Farthest From Equator - DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE - PalmTalk

Junter ,the dream is dead .

Spain too cold ,too wet ....

It will always be Madeira or California

Is This Climate Suitable For Cocos nucifera ? - DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE - PalmTalk

Azores are def out of the question lol
Spain is not too cold just needs slightly warmer winters in the warmest coastal zones to hold a coconut... cold and wet is maybe Azores lmao... Spain too wet? Almería wet? XDD it's sunny asf and desertic lol. Also don't forget that Spain has the Canaries which are much warmer than Madeira or California. Mainland Spain, yes. Madeira is from Portugal but a very subtropical island, can't say that Portugal is too cold because they have Madeira!

Cooler winters can be the most appropiate definition: add just 2°C more in January and February, and just 1°C more in December (and just to the actual high averages) and here you have the northernmost coconut.

Still NO ONE tried it in Almería so it might be a remote chance ... we can't say it's not possible if no one tried it yet... Almería's airport actually is 17/8 in the coldest month and in the next 1991-2020 average it will be probably close to 18/9... the airport.

The city itself 1km from the sea is warmer because of less sea influence and Foehn winds as being down the mountains. Plus UHI. I wouldn't be surprised if anywhere in the city actually averages 18 in January. Not a crazy thing, just 1°C more than the airport which averages exactly 16.9/8.3 ...

The city is also protected from polar cold waves because of the high mountains nearby. Did you know that Almería is the only city in mainland Europe which never recorded a temp of 0°C or colder? (With an official station). You now know it.

I want to believe... based on the Newport coconut, the right spot inside Almería can make it. I'm sure at 100%.

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Old 06-07-2017, 06:22 PM
 
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Lol :d
 
Old 06-07-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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Lol :d


 
Old 06-08-2017, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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Maybe you need some professional help junter
 
Old 06-08-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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The southernmost survivor in Australia is in Forster about 220 km north of Sydney. With averages of 18.2/8.7°C in its coldest month Forster is exactly on your 27°C threshold so you might be onto something.

The sad pathetic thing is well south of what's considered the usual southern limit of healthy, thriving cocos in Australia (Byron Bay). Apparently it was planted in the mid 1980s; this picture was taken in 2009.


Cocos nucifera - Coconut Palm (Green Point, Mid North Coast Near Forster, NSW - 32 Degrees South) by Black Diamond Images, on Flickr
Wow ,didn't realise he was 30 years old ... obviously a nice little spot ... just about mild enough in winter although surprisingly a wet climate in winter too - Junter hope for you yet maybe

Planted too in open ground with no paving/asphalt or any heat retainers etc
 
Old 06-08-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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The southernmost survivor in Australia is in Forster about 220 km north of Sydney. With averages of 18.2/8.7°C in its coldest month Forster is exactly on your 27°C threshold so you might be onto something.

The sad pathetic thing is well south of what's considered the usual southern limit of healthy, thriving cocos in Australia (Byron Bay). Apparently it was planted in the mid 1980s; this picture was taken in 2009.
I wonder if an ultra-maritime station right on the coast at sea level in Sydney could support Coconut palms, however stunted or whatever, but reasonably healthy?

Sydney Harbour: Climate statistics for Australian locations

Maybe Palm Beach aswell, it is a narrow spit surrounded on 3 sides by water, it may have even milder lows and certainly no chance of frost.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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I think with Sydney the soil temperature would just get too low for too long . That 17.1 won't do . (that's an average) fine when it's above the average .
Maybe some form of artificial heating might help for the early years .

There will be spells of chilly weather in Sydney in winter 13 - 16c days that drag on just a tad too much for our poor coconut friend ( a bit like Almeria ) and he will say - 'Adios - nice meeting you for a couple of years Sydney folks ! '
 
Old 06-08-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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I think with Sydney the soil temperature would just get too low for too long . That 17.1 won't do . (that's an average) fine when it's above the average .
Maybe some form of artificial heating might help for the early years .

There will be spells of chilly weather in Sydney in winter 13 - 16c days that drag on just a tad too much for our poor coconut friend ( a bit like Almeria ) and he will say - 'Adios - nice meeting you for a couple of years Sydney folks ! '

That's kind of the amazing thing about deep S. Texas and Florida. They are both subjected to far colder weather than Sydney would ever get in winter, and yet have quite large and healthy fruiting coconut palms.

The thing about the SE US is that it can get bad cold fronts in winter, but winter warmth is also very high in S. Florida and S. Texas along with their warmer average winter temperatures and more than the winter warmth in Sydney or south of Brisbane. Same applies to mainland Western Europe. A 10A climate in the Southeast US can support coco palms, but not in Spain, Italy, France, etc.
 
Old 06-08-2017, 09:59 AM
 
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Maybe Palm Beach aswell, it is a narrow spit surrounded on 3 sides by water, it may have even milder lows and certainly no chance of frost.
Ah "Summer Bay" Not sure if a coconut would survive there long term, though I guess in a sheltered spot, against a building, raised bed (to help with winter rain) & top dressing of crushed lava rock or black pebbles to help heat the soil in winter, then one may survive for a few years at least...
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