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Old 06-24-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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There are nearly 800,000 Poles living in the UK, and more arrive every year. That's going to have negative consequences for Poland - that's a big chunk of its population living abroad and paying tax elsewhere.

It only undercuts wages when employers pay less than minimum wage, which is illegal anyway. And I'm not really bothered about homogeneity as you are. I've spent most of my life surrounded by immigrants and their presence simply doesn't bother me.
But minimum wage is usually less than a living wage, much less a decent wage. Massive immigration drives down wages, but not below the minimum wage. The fact that many employers get away with paying less than the minimum wage more generally means a low wage market for many occupations.

 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:53 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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It is crude, but crudely effective. Shame is the biggest human motivator. It challenges some folks, at least, to formulate a reason that they aren't "cucks" in the sense that the word conveys.
Any evidence that it encourages that rather what an idiot? It doesn't any sense to me why it would create shame rather than anger and dismissal.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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But minimum wage is usually less than a living wage, much less a decent wage. Massive immigration drives down wages, but not below the minimum wage. The fact that many employers get away with paying less than the minimum wage more generally means a low wage market for many occupations.
The UK has introduced a living wage now, it's a big jump from the previous minimum wage. Wages in the UK aren't being driven down either, and they're generally highest in areas like London where lots of immigrants live. I'd have to look up the stats but I don't think anywhere in the UK is seeing wages forced down due to mass immigration.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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Any evidence that it encourages that rather what an idiot? It doesn't any sense to me why it would create shame rather than anger and dismissal.
What kind of evidence? I don't believe any studies have been done...

I have given what I believe are good reasons.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:02 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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I have given what I believe are good reasons.
Ok, they don't make sense to me. A troll-ish insult isn't going to make someone feel shame, it just will anger the person insulted to whoever says it.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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An immigrant who is anti immigration & has such bizarre views just makes me feel...
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:13 AM
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Huh? Snj90 isn't an immigrant.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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I think we've had this discussion before, snj90 is the descendant of Eastern European immigrants to the US.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:23 AM
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I think we've had this discussion before, snj90 is the descendant of Eastern European immigrants to the US.
yes, but that's not the same as being an immigrant.
 
Old 06-24-2016, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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yes, but that's not the same as being an immigrant.
He classes himself as one. His parents (or grandparents) were at least, so he is still the product of immigration, so his anti immigration views are just odd...
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