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Again, I am not who you think I am; just a poster who agrees with the opinion of another. Simple as that.
Who just happens to post in the exact same forums, on the exact same threads, and use the exact same terminology and writing style as cold epoch troll? Lol.
Who just happens to post in the exact same forums, on the exact same threads, and use the exact same terminology and writing style as cold epoch troll? Lol.
And whose username is the status of the previous account...
It's an American forum. The problem with the South is too hot in summer and not enough warmth and stability in winter for subtropical climates. Imo.
The inland south is too hot in the summer. The coastal south isn't terribly extreme as far as heat goes.
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Originally Posted by DigitalCircuit
How are the summers too hot? Record highs from many humid subtropical regions around the globe exceed that of the US South; no city in the US South coast has ever gone above 110F, but places in South Africa and Australia right on the coast have record highs exceeding that.
Winters are variable, but they are still warm enough much of the time, and don't bottom out that low, to ensure, at least, decent subtropic gardening (at least zone 9 plants).
Which would include peninsular Charleston, which scored fairly high on this poll.
The Record low for Changzhou(31S) 100km from the Sea is -17C.
I only found the Record low in the Chinese Wikipedia(i dont know if its really Chinese.)
After this Latitude,China holds Lower Record lows and Lower Averages.. for example,Xuzhou record low is -22.6C/-8.7F while Columbia,SC is -19C/-2F. both at same latitude and distance from the Sea.
Why you dont stop trying to convince that the southern US is Colder than it actually is?
Lol, did you completely not get my whole discussion. The city in China you reference, Xuzhou is at latitude 34N which is correct. What you failed to mention is that this same city averages 41/26F in January. You realize that Columbia, SC averages 56/34F.
So, lets see what the record low is in China where the Jan monthly mean is 45F.
Changsha, China has avg Jan mean temps of 48/35F, colder than Columbia. Yet, the record low is 10.4F since 1971. Well we know both Atlanta and Columbia went down much further than that to below 0F.
Changsha is around 200 miles inland.
Do you see the point I'm trying to make? It is the extreme anomalies in the Southeast US which are not reflected in the averages. The Southeast US is the most unstable subtropical climate in the world in winter, hands down.
Yes Changsha is lower in latitude. But when you look at the average temps in the South of the US it is very deceiving. They look warm, but they simply do not tell the true story of the climate. Temps fluctuate all winter long, while in China they are more stable. Given the same average temps in a China location vs a location in the Southeast USA, China location would have far higher record low temps and therefore can support more tender vegetation which would grow in those temps.
Which location could grow more tender vegetation, Atlanta or Changsha? Which on average gets a colder low temp every winter, Changsha or Atlanta (or Columbia)?
Just look at the Wiki climate data for Atlanta. The avg annual lowest temp is 12F lol. Only 2F higher than the record low for Changsha. Yet, Atlanta has a warmer avg winter mean temperature. I think that answers the question of which location can grow more subtropical vegetation.
Stop comparing latitude to latitude, and compare avg monthly temps in each location against the lowest temp each winter. That is a far more fair and accurate representation of what the climate offers.
That is why the US Southeast is the worst of the subtropical climates in the world.
The inland south is too hot in the summer. The coastal south isn't terribly extreme as far as heat goes.
Which would include peninsular Charleston, which scored fairly high on this poll.
Yes, zone 9 is a very narrow coastal strip. As soon as you leave that coastal zone you drop quickly from 9a down to 8b and then quickly again to 8a. Shame for those that like to grow subtropical vegetation in the climate. Not only is the zone an 8b or 8a, but the standard deviation on the zone is quite high also. Columbia, SC might average zone 8a/8b, but some winters will be warmer, and then some winters will go down to zone 7. That is when people lose vegetation, and the reason you don't see big date palms in Columbia, SC.
The inland south is too hot in the summer. The coastal south isn't terribly extreme as far as heat goes.
Which would include peninsular Charleston, which scored fairly high on this poll.
Want to know why it probably scored high on the poll? First off it is an American forum, and Americans tend to think everything in the US is best. Secondly, there are quite a few that like the fact that it can get very cold there in winter and would consider that a plus.
Lol, I just looked at wetlands guy and he has only one post in his entire posting history on this forum. He literally just joined this forum to get involved in this thread. Not one single other post.
But, really, in the end, Columbia is quite inland. Most subtropical areas with huge CIDP are on the coast, anyways.
In the southeastern US or all over the world? Lol, you don't see huge CIDP anywhere in the South save the southern coast of GA and a few on the upper Gulf Coast. Too many were killed in the 1980's.
Australia certainly has very large ones inland from the coast and so do Italy and Spain, Greece, etc. It only applies to the US Southeast cause that is pretty much the only subtropical region that gets so darn cold once in a while in winter.
1: Brisbane, Australia (no killing freezes)
2: Tampa, USA
Might like that one best, but never have been to Australia.
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