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Old 05-04-2016, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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I always notice on the photo threads that people who are having warmer or drier than average springs with an earlier leafing process than normal, conveniently don't mention the fact that it's not an average spring. But let it be a colder than average spring and their trees are still bare in late April and they'll mention how unusual it is like fifty times. Never seems to fail. lol

You should see what goes on in garden forums. Like I said, people in the PNW are now calling it their new normal. They quickly forgot 2012 and 2011 I guess, or other cold PDO years. And yeah, they don't seem to mention how warm it has been when their trees are fully leaved in March.
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Old 05-04-2016, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Sometimes? Like, once every 3 years? Even less?
well, a bit more often than that actually !
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Old 05-04-2016, 03:38 PM
 
Location: United Nations
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well, a bit more often than that actually !
How often does it snow in Rome? Not much, I suppose.
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Old 05-04-2016, 04:50 PM
 
Location: In transition
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One year of cold PDO and they will be singing a different tune. Everybody in that part of the world is now convinced their climate has changed for good due to this stupid warm PDO. Please flip back to cold asap.
I would also like the cold PDO to return as well... we need more moisture in this part of the world even if some of that ends up falling as snow. I don't want wildfires in Vancouver thank you.
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Old 05-04-2016, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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No.

I don't think so either. (Seattle will have to "pay" for their recent warmth, sooner or later)

Regarding whether Canada has four seasons or not, I would imagine that this is mostly true. It's just that summer is fairly short, while winter is quite long.

In coastal Alaska, it's been said that we have two seasons: big winter and little winter. Big winter is dark, little winter is light.
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Old 05-04-2016, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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You should see what goes on in garden forums. Like I said, people in the PNW are now calling it their new normal. They quickly forgot 2012 and 2011 I guess, or other cold PDO years. And yeah, they don't seem to mention how warm it has been when their trees are fully leaved in March.
The thing is even the coldest winter in Seattle would still be warmer than an average winter in the northeast. Temperatures below 20F are very rare and don't happen often. The winter of 1950 only had one month with very cold temperatures - January (average high 30.7, average low 19.1). That is one month out of a thousand. The rest of 1949/1950 winter had much more normal temperatures - Dec 1949 - 43.5/33.2, Feb 1950 - 46.1/33.9 and March - 47.9/36.2. Even December 2008 which was really cold had 40.8/33.0.

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Old 05-04-2016, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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The thing is even the coldest winter in Seattle would still be warmer than an average winter in the northeast. Temperatures below 20F are very rare and don't happen often. The winter of 1950 only had one month with very cold temperatures - January (average high 30.7, average low 19.1). That is one month out of a thousand. The rest of 1949/1950 winter had much more normal temperatures - Dec 1949 - 43.5/33.2, Feb 1950 - 46.1/33.9 and March - 47.9/36.2. Even December 2008 which was really cold had 40.8/33.0.


I know that, but not the crazy warm weather your area has been having the last two years. You can thank the flip to the warm PDO. Most believe it is way too early to flip to a decades long warm PDO yet, so when you flip back to cold PDO it will not be like these last two years is what I am saying. You won't have this month after month of positive temp anomalies. You do realize you cannot have endless above avg monthly temps for years on end right? Earth doesn't work like that.
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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Why is it people from colder climates always use a couple of much warmer than average years as a representation of its climate? lol
Don't worry, once the warm water off the coast of Seattle is gone they will turn into what Montreal is now we just have to wait for the pattern to flip
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Old 05-04-2016, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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No.
It's all a cycle. We had the warmest year on record on 2012 and that was immediately followed by one of the most brutal and coldest times in the history of New York. This could be 2012 for Seattle happening right now, and in the next couple of years they will have their own version of 2014 and 2015
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Old 05-04-2016, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Seattle area
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Don't worry, once the warm water off the coast of Seattle is gone they will turn into what Montreal is now we just have to wait for the pattern to flip
Montreal? That cannot happen in a thousand years.
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