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The thing is even the coldest winter in Seattle would still be warmer than an average winter in the northeast. Temperatures below 20F are very rare and don't happen often. The winter of 1950 only had one month with very cold temperatures - January (average high 30.7, average low 19.1). That is one month out of a thousand. The rest of 1949/1950 winter had much more normal temperatures - Dec 1949 - 43.5/33.2, Feb 1950 - 46.1/33.9 and March - 47.9/36.2. Even December 2008 which was really cold had 40.8/33.0.
Not really. Look at the New York Hottest Months thread I made; New York's hottest months are easily warmer than the average winter month in Seattle. I'm not saying that Seattle is colder than New York at winter, because it's not, but this idea that Seattle could never be as cold as the Northeast even in its coldest winters is just not true. 1950 is evidence that Seattle could be not just colder than New York City or Boston, but also have a winter month typical of Syracuse or Ithaca or Binghamton
Not really. Look at the New York Hottest Months thread I made; New York's hottest months are easily warmer than the average winter month in Seattle. I'm not saying that Seattle is colder than New York at winter, because it's not, but this idea that Seattle could never be as cold as the Northeast even in its coldest winters is just not true. 1950 is evidence that Seattle could be not just colder than New York City or Boston, but also have a winter month typical of Syracuse or Ithaca or Binghamton
No, it's never been like Ithaca or Syracuse. One month (not even a whole winter) in recorded history is not a representation of anything.
I meant that Montreal is going through a period of below average temperatures right now while Calgary and Edmonton are going thru a warm epoch. And it could change at any moment really. Next April we could be discussing unseasonable warmth in Montreal and the record snowfall happening in Calgary and Edmonton
No it is not like Ithaca or Syracuse. One month (not even a whole winter) in recorded history is not a representation of anything.
You just said that Seattle is not going to be colder than the Northeast even when it has negative departures. That's clearly not true, since in 1950 Seattle had an average high of -1c in Seattle, which is right at home in Syracuse or Ithaca. Let's not act like Seattle is a subtropical paradise, they are having the times of their life now, but the pattern could easily flip and Seattle could have a repeat of 1950 again
You know what, **** 1950. Seattle had below average temps in January in 2013, 2012, 2009, 2008, 2007, during which their average high was 43f
You just said that Seattle is not going to be colder than the Northeast even when it has negative departures. That's clearly not true, since in 1950 Seattle had an average high of -1c in Seattle, which is right at home in Syracuse or Ithaca. Let's not act like Seattle is a subtropical paradise, they are having the times of their life now, but the pattern could easily flip and Seattle could have a repeat of 1950 again
You know what, **** 1950. Seattle had below average temps in January in 2013, 2012, 2009, 2008, 2007, during which their average high was 43f
Even a below average winter in Seattle will still be warmer than an average winter in Ithaca or Syracuse. I think that's the point.
I doubt Seattle would ever get as cold as Boston let alone Montreal, but I'm saying you will not have this warmth once the cold PDO comes back. All one has to do is look at climate data.
April 21, 2012 the trees in Seattle certainly look no where near where they were this year. Seattle trees aren't as green and leafed out as you posted them every year, or probably even in an average year. But this winter and spring your area was way above average. That is why your trees looked the way they did.
2011 and 2012 had cold PDO and your trees showed it lol.
2012 your area had a below avg March and an avg April and it shows.
When the cold PDO comes I think it will bring people in Seattle right back down to reality just like 2014 and 2015 did to us. After the winter of 2012 and 2013 people here were saying never again would we have a cold winter. Well they got hit right in the face with it once your warm water showed up. Same thing will happen to your area once your warm water goes away.
And these winters were still warmer than the northeast.
I agree with you on that. Your area def has milder winters, but you usually have what I would call lame summers. Those lame summers will return. Count on it.
Even a below average winter in Seattle will still be warmer than an average winter in Ithaca or Syracuse. I think that's the point.
Well it is not the point I have been trying to make. Spring in Seattle can be colder than here easily. Just look at 2011 and 2012. It is funny how when people get years in a row of warmer than avg weather they get all puffed up about it lol and assume it is the new normal. Why is that? Doesn't seem to happen with colder than avg weather.
My only point is that this warmth will not continue unabated for years. Just won't happen or the earth will explode lol.
I agree with you on that. Your area def has milder winters, but you usually have what I would call lame summers. Those lame summers will return. Count on it.
What is the definition of a lame summer? We almost always have nice summers with lots of sunshine and pleasant temperatures. The difference is in the last few years the summers have been warmer and longer. Of course they cannot be as hot as the northeast.
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