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View Poll Results: Which has a better collection of climates?
The U.K. 44 35.77%
The U.S. South 79 64.23%
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:31 PM
 
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Certainly; there are some palm species that can survive those winters, if I am not mistaken. One includes the needle palm.



People in the South just haven't tried hard enough; they will be amazed at what they can grow if they try hard. Jacarandas, tipu trees, orchid trees, bismarkia, etc all can grow in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Jacksonville, and even the coastal areas around Savannah and Charleston.

And as for "all other subtropical climates..." do they grow jacarandas in East Asia? What about subtropical South Asia (north India, Nepal, Pakistan, etc)?
Jacaranda Mimosifolia

Read the comments there...........................
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Needle Palms are hardy down to about -10 F, everywhere in Minnesota on an average year drops well below that.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Certainly; there are some palm species that can survive those winters, if I am not mistaken. One includes the needle palm.



People in the South just haven't tried hard enough; they will be amazed at what they can grow if they try hard. Jacarandas, tipu trees, orchid trees, bismarkia, etc all can grow in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Jacksonville, and even the coastal areas around Savannah and Charleston.

And as for "all other subtropical climates..." do they grow jacarandas in East Asia? What about subtropical South Asia (north India, Nepal, Pakistan, etc)?
I think they are trying lol. There is one women from Raleigh, she lives actually half an hour west of Raleigh in a rural area, so she lives in a spot that gets colder than raleigh. Yet she had many types of date palms, Washingtonias, Livingstonia or whatever that palm that Tom likes is called, and a multitude of other tropical and subtropical plants, all planted in the ground. Of course she protected them but even some of the marginal hardy ones that are close to being hardy for here such as Washingtonias, managed to get through winters like 2010 with minimal protection.people try and after 1985, people went out and replaced what was lost.

It can be done, especially for marginally hardy things. According to the usda, by 2040 hardiness zones should have shifted another zone for most areas. Raleigh would end up being a zone 8b climate. Of course that's all speculation lol, oh and more than 20 years from now.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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Jacaranda Mimosifolia

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They seem to be doing it. One guy said he saw a 30 foot one in new orleans. They just got unlucky in planting them during 2 very cold winters.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:40 PM
 
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They seem to be doing it. One guy said he saw a 30 foot one in new orleans. They just got unlucky in planting them during 2 very cold winters.
Unless it was somehow planted very large, won't live.
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:45 PM
 
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Houston, yes:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/811324...-4QdWQN-4Q9HDg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/811324...-4QdWQN-4Q9HDg




Can't find NOLA photos..............
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Old 06-04-2016, 05:51 PM
 
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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That tree is tropical isn't it? The pics I've seen that tree is really beautiful. Lol it is probably grown all over Australia right, even Sydney or Perth?
Jacaranda Isnt Tropical,its an Subtropical Tree,its native to South-Central South America(Brazil,Paraguay,Argentina,Uruguay).
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Old 06-04-2016, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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They seem to be doing it. One guy said he saw a 30 foot one in new orleans. They just got unlucky in planting them during 2 very cold winters.
Which was killed in a cold winter. They can be grown, but are not long term trees in New Orleans...

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Just try harder.



Then they should try again, allowing the warm, rainy summers to beef up the plants, so that the cold can be ridden out. I looked up the tree on wiki; it grows even in Southern Oregon. Anything that grows in Oregon can grow in New Orleans, Houston and Jacksonville.

Furthermore, technology is advancing; soon, the point can come that jacarandas can be spliced with "cold hardy" genes from cold hardy plants, allowing them to grow with no problem full-stop in the US South.
Lol... People have tried & they don't survive long term...

Gosh yes I expect they will be able to make a GM hardy coconut palm soon that will survive in London
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Old 06-04-2016, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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I do see some needle palms around here. Hey, Lexington is a subtropical paradise after all.

There are 14 years which a sabal palm would have theoretically survived here lol. Assuming 7F is the minimum temperature.
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Old 06-04-2016, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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From what I've seen on the forums here you don't get citrus that taste worth anything until about five years. Growth really isn't that rapid based on what I've seen.
They might be using different rootstocks in the States.

They do get better flavour as trees get older, but they're still fully edible and taste fine in the first year.

Growth isn't that rapid if just height is considered, but citrus grow out more than up. Planed some mandarins that would have had 50+ fruit after one year in the ground. Our oranges would be under 5 years old and probably have 250+ fruit - a mixture of ripe fruit ( tis the season for morning orange juice ) and the next crop.
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